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	<title>Comments on: HTML5 video element about to land in Firefox 3.1</title>
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	<description>scratched tallies on the prison wall</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-122020</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I both use and like webkit but you guys seem not to have been paying attention:

* HTML5 recommended a single baseline, free, unencumbered codec for video and audio. Theora and Vorbis. Yes, an new, better web with video(!) that works on your phone and set-top box and netbook. Hurrah!

* Nokia and Apple spread patent FUD and got this taken out so that everyone would use a hotch-potch of proprietary and/or encumbered formats e.g WMA and H.264 and whatever else happened to be installed. Or just keep using Flash. Boo!

* Mozilla previously had been chickening out of this fight, and it looked like they were going to just include native framework support (e.g. Quicktime, DirectShow, Gstreamer). Which would have knee-capped Theora, made properly supporting the web illegal for many Linux distros and opened their Windows newbie audience to a nightmare scenario of 'codec pack' downloads.

* However, Mozilla grows a pair, turns round and uses their mighty marketshare to make the world a better place by doing the right thing. (Just as they did in the past when they didn't bother to turn on the ActiveX support they had ready). Hurray!

So, to sum up, you Webkit guys whining that you did the *wrong* thing (only supporting whatever random installed codecs were available) 6 months before Mozilla announced they were doing the right thing (and 6 months *after* Opera announced their good intentions) gets no brownie points from me at all. So what are you all so smug about?

Let me know when you guys have any measureable marketshare for a Webkit browser that isn't actively pushing for a proprietary future for web video.

(And yes, Apple not putting Flash on the iPhone is a positive step, and Apple's pressuring of MPEG-4 Licencing 
Authority for better licencing terms are both minor victories. That doesn't change the fact that you open-source webkit guys have contributed exactly zero to this particular cause so far.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I both use and like webkit but you guys seem not to have been paying attention:</p>
<p>* HTML5 recommended a single baseline, free, unencumbered codec for video and audio. Theora and Vorbis. Yes, an new, better web with video(!) that works on your phone and set-top box and netbook. Hurrah!</p>
<p>* Nokia and Apple spread patent FUD and got this taken out so that everyone would use a hotch-potch of proprietary and/or encumbered formats e.g WMA and H.264 and whatever else happened to be installed. Or just keep using Flash. Boo!</p>
<p>* Mozilla previously had been chickening out of this fight, and it looked like they were going to just include native framework support (e.g. Quicktime, DirectShow, Gstreamer). Which would have knee-capped Theora, made properly supporting the web illegal for many Linux distros and opened their Windows newbie audience to a nightmare scenario of &#8216;codec pack&#8217; downloads.</p>
<p>* However, Mozilla grows a pair, turns round and uses their mighty marketshare to make the world a better place by doing the right thing. (Just as they did in the past when they didn&#8217;t bother to turn on the ActiveX support they had ready). Hurray!</p>
<p>So, to sum up, you Webkit guys whining that you did the *wrong* thing (only supporting whatever random installed codecs were available) 6 months before Mozilla announced they were doing the right thing (and 6 months *after* Opera announced their good intentions) gets no brownie points from me at all. So what are you all so smug about?</p>
<p>Let me know when you guys have any measureable marketshare for a Webkit browser that isn&#8217;t actively pushing for a proprietary future for web video.</p>
<p>(And yes, Apple not putting Flash on the iPhone is a positive step, and Apple&#8217;s pressuring of MPEG-4 Licencing<br />
Authority for better licencing terms are both minor victories. That doesn&#8217;t change the fact that you open-source webkit guys have contributed exactly zero to this particular cause so far.)</p>
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		<title>By: Que va-t-il rester à YouTube avec HTML 5 ? &#124; Presse-Citron</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-122009</link>
		<dc:creator>Que va-t-il rester à YouTube avec HTML 5 ? &#124; Presse-Citron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dernières spécifications, HTML 5 comporterait, entre autres nouveautés, une balise &#60;video&#62; permettant d&#8217;insérer n&#8217;importe-quel fichier vidéo de n&#8217;importe-quel format dans une page web aussi facilement qu&#8217;on le fait actuellement [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dernières spécifications, HTML 5 comporterait, entre autres nouveautés, une balise &lt;video&gt; permettant d&#8217;insérer n&#8217;importe-quel fichier vidéo de n&#8217;importe-quel format dans une page web aussi facilement qu&#8217;on le fait actuellement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: פיירפוקס בעקבות אופרה תומכים בקוד פתוח לסרטים Ogg &#124; גוגל-ספרה</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-122002</link>
		<dc:creator>פיירפוקס בעקבות אופרה תומכים בקוד פתוח לסרטים Ogg &#124; גוגל-ספרה</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] או כך הדרך להטמעת השימוש ב &#60;video&#62; עם Ogg עוד ארוכה. מן הסתם דפדפן ספארי של אפל ינסה לזנב ברעיון על מנת לא [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] או כך הדרך להטמעת השימוש ב &lt;video&gt; עם Ogg עוד ארוכה. מן הסתם דפדפן ספארי של אפל ינסה לזנב ברעיון על מנת לא [...]</p>
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		<title>By: iain</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-122001</link>
		<dc:creator>iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang it. http://git.o-hand.com/?r=webkit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang it. <a href="http://git.o-hand.com/?r=webkit" rel="nofollow">http://git.o-hand.com/?r=webkit</a></p>
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		<title>By: iain</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-122000</link>
		<dc:creator>iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The interesting question, to me, is whether WebKit is a genuine open-source project, separate from Apple, or not"

Well, as I've forked WebKit here: http://git.o-hand.com/webkit I'd say that yes, WebKit is a genuine open source project which I can do whatever I like with. Whether or not the employees paid by Apple can do whatever things that Apple does not want done with WebKit does not remove its open sourceness, any more than me refusing to add an expose-esque feature to Metacity stops it being open source.

(And others have already pointed out that versions of WebKit do support ogg videos already)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The interesting question, to me, is whether WebKit is a genuine open-source project, separate from Apple, or not&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, as I&#8217;ve forked WebKit here: <a href="http://git.o-hand.com/webkit" rel="nofollow">http://git.o-hand.com/webkit</a> I&#8217;d say that yes, WebKit is a genuine open source project which I can do whatever I like with. Whether or not the employees paid by Apple can do whatever things that Apple does not want done with WebKit does not remove its open sourceness, any more than me refusing to add an expose-esque feature to Metacity stops it being open source.</p>
<p>(And others have already pointed out that versions of WebKit do support ogg videos already)</p>
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		<title>By: Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-121995</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stuart: Pierre-Luc Beaudoin and Alp Toker implemented video support in WebKit GTK using GStreamer months ago, but probably (I never tried it) it needs some more love before being fully working. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stuart: Pierre-Luc Beaudoin and Alp Toker implemented video support in WebKit GTK using GStreamer months ago, but probably (I never tried it) it needs some more love before being fully working. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will&#8217;s Miro dev blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ogg ogg ogg ogg ogg!</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-121994</link>
		<dc:creator>Will&#8217;s Miro dev blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ogg ogg ogg ogg ogg!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another blog entry espousing the goodness of OGG support in Firefox!    Date July 30th, 2008 Filed in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another blog entry espousing the goodness of OGG support in Firefox!    Date July 30th, 2008 Filed in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-121993</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They're all overlapping. See http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/aq-comments-gecko-1.8.jpg or just use a gecko 1.8 browser yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re all overlapping. See <a href="http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/aq-comments-gecko-1.8.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/aq-comments-gecko-1.8.jpg</a> or just use a gecko 1.8 browser yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-121992</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, thankyou, James. How in particular?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, thankyou, James. How in particular?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/07/31/html5-video-element-about-to-land-in-firefox-31#comment-121991</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments still look like ass in Gecko 1.8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments still look like ass in Gecko 1.8.</p>
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