Comments on: Gnome filepicker windows http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440 scratched tallies on the prison wall Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:44:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99723 sil Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:42:13 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99723 Peter: that's actually a really cool idea... Peter: that’s actually a really cool idea…

]]> By: Peter Rullmann http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99722 Peter Rullmann Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:31:23 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99722 The file requester surely is a redundant window and finding a way to remove it would be cool. Perhaps it would be possible to integrate this into Gimmie. http://www.beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/Main_Page Alex Graveley had plans to ask programs if and which files/documents they are showing in their window(s). These windows would then be placed in a separate window list for documents. If a document is not saved yet, its icon in the window list could be marked with an emblem. This icon could then be dragged into a Nautilus window to save the document. To avoid drag'n'drop, the icon of the unsaved document could be accompanied by a button called "save here" if a Nautilus window has focus. Pressing that would save the document into the current directory of that Nautilus window. The file requester surely is a redundant window and finding a way to remove it would be cool.

Perhaps it would be possible to integrate this into Gimmie.
http://www.beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/Main_Page
Alex Graveley had plans to ask programs if and which files/documents they are showing in their window(s). These windows would then be placed in a separate window list for documents.

If a document is not saved yet, its icon in the window list could be marked with an emblem. This icon could then be dragged into a Nautilus window to save the document.
To avoid drag’n'drop, the icon of the unsaved document could be accompanied by a button called “save here” if a Nautilus window has focus. Pressing that would save the document into the current directory of that Nautilus window.

]]> By: Roger / oojah http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99642 Roger / oojah Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:38:18 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99642 I've been thinking about this since you posted it and I'm still divided on it (and I'm too busy to think properly as well). On one hand I'm all in favour of removing redundant windows - think of TortoiseSVN/CVS on Windows compared to an SVN/CVS client with file browser included for a prime example. On the other hand it doesn't feel quite right to me - the context switch of changing to a different app to find your location to save will take a bit of getting used to (yes, I realise that it's nominally the same thing, but it's quite a big mental change when you have to effectively come out of the app you're using to do a "save as". As it stands, the file picker feels like part of the app even if it is a common component). There are other issues as well - what type of file are you wanting to save with the GIMP for example? What compression would you like with your jpeg sir? And all that. I’ve been thinking about this since you posted it and I’m still divided on it (and I’m too busy to think properly as well).

On one hand I’m all in favour of removing redundant windows - think of TortoiseSVN/CVS on Windows compared to an SVN/CVS client with file browser included for a prime example.

On the other hand it doesn’t feel quite right to me - the context switch of changing to a different app to find your location to save will take a bit of getting used to (yes, I realise that it’s nominally the same thing, but it’s quite a big mental change when you have to effectively come out of the app you’re using to do a “save as”. As it stands, the file picker feels like part of the app even if it is a common component).

There are other issues as well - what type of file are you wanting to save with the GIMP for example? What compression would you like with your jpeg sir? And all that.

]]> By: Maxo http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99641 Maxo Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:03:32 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99641 The article sited is spot on. I really do not like GNOME's file dialog. It is ugly and not user friendly. I really wish this would be overhauled for the next release. Even more so I wish I had the skills to do this. The article sited is spot on. I really do not like GNOME’s file dialog. It is ugly and not user friendly. I really wish this would be overhauled for the next release. Even more so I wish I had the skills to do this.

]]> By: http://resiak.livejournal.com/ http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99633 http://resiak.livejournal.com/ Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:07:40 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99633 Joe: uhm, the filepicker is a different window. Why use a hamstrung file manager (the file picker) rather than a real actual file picker? Joe: uhm, the filepicker is a different window. Why use a hamstrung file manager (the file picker) rather than a real actual file picker?

]]> By: Joe http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99626 Joe Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:33:03 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99626 I don't use file manager either. :-) It is wasting time to go different windows to do something. GTK+2 is only one toolkit that can't do. :-( I don’t use file manager either. :-) It is wasting time to go different windows to do something. GTK+2 is only one toolkit that can’t do. :-(

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99625 sil Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:08:21 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99625 Joe: no reason why the file manager you drag to has to be Nautilus; the whole point of XDS being specified is that other file managers could support it (and indeed they do, as much as Nautilus does; Konq, the ROX filer, etc). Joe: no reason why the file manager you drag to has to be Nautilus; the whole point of XDS being specified is that other file managers could support it (and indeed they do, as much as Nautilus does; Konq, the ROX filer, etc).

]]> By: Joe http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99624 Joe Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:36:20 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99624 Nautilus? Are you kidding? What make you think that everybody that is using GTK applications have Nautilus installed? Or what make you think that they are using Nautilus? Do you realized that there are many and many WMs out there? The GTK+2 isn't GNOME! I don't use Nautilus and I am still stuck with VIM 6.x (with GTK+2), because it uses old file selector that has rename, delete and new folder. I use these features a lot daily. Nautilus? Are you kidding? What make you think that everybody that is using GTK applications have Nautilus installed? Or what make you think that they are using Nautilus? Do you realized that there are many and many WMs out there? The GTK+2 isn’t GNOME! I don’t use Nautilus and I am still stuck with VIM 6.x (with GTK+2), because it uses old file selector that has rename, delete and new folder. I use these features a lot daily.

]]> By: http://neaj.myopenid.com/ http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99610 http://neaj.myopenid.com/ Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:42:22 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99610 Another bad thing about Gnome filepicker: if you browse to a folder with a couple of 10s of 1000s of files, it freezes until it's digested them all. Another bad thing about Gnome filepicker: if you browse to a folder with a couple of 10s of 1000s of files, it freezes until it’s digested them all.

]]> By: Jerome Haltom http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99609 Jerome Haltom Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:24:50 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/09/25/1440#comment-99609 Yes. I once played around in my head for a few weeks on this idea: removing file pickers completely and using simple relations between preexisting windows. It would be nice to be able to just drag a Abiword window into my documents folder and watch it get sucked into a file. I would personallky find it much quicker. I recognize there are accessibility concerns, though. I really do hate the idea of making MY experience suck because some dude can't grab a mouse, though. I would hate this to be the ONLY way, of course, because sometimes my hand isn't on the mouse, and I don't want it there. I still think the idea is cool and has merit. Yes. I once played around in my head for a few weeks on this idea: removing file pickers completely and using simple relations between preexisting windows. It would be nice to be able to just drag a Abiword window into my documents folder and watch it get sucked into a file. I would personallky find it much quicker. I recognize there are accessibility concerns, though. I really do hate the idea of making MY experience suck because some dude can’t grab a mouse, though.

I would hate this to be the ONLY way, of course, because sometimes my hand isn’t on the mouse, and I don’t want it there. I still think the idea is cool and has merit.

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