Comments on: Replacing Flash with something else http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else scratched tallies on the prison wall Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:38:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98602 sil Thu, 24 May 2007 11:18:16 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98602 Benjamin: yeah, I suppose you're right about Flash loading files. Single-file is a jolly nice thing to aim for, but I agree it's not necessarily a hard criterion. Benjamin: yeah, I suppose you’re right about Flash loading files. Single-file is a jolly nice thing to aim for, but I agree it’s not necessarily a hard criterion.

]]> By: Benjamin Otte http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98600 Benjamin Otte Thu, 24 May 2007 10:42:15 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98600 I'm not sure single-file is an issue. It's certainly a huge reason for files that are exchanged between people. But none of the file formats used on the web are single-file. And that includes Flash. In particular the video sites. But most other Flashs often load context-specific data on-demand. (If you don't believe me, just look at the huge amount of APIs in Flash for loading files into running Flash movies.) I’m not sure single-file is an issue. It’s certainly a huge reason for files that are exchanged between people. But none of the file formats used on the web are single-file. And that includes Flash. In particular the video sites. But most other Flashs often load context-specific data on-demand. (If you don’t believe me, just look at the huge amount of APIs in Flash for loading files into running Flash movies.)

]]> By: spool http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98555 spool Wed, 23 May 2007 11:37:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98555 If the issue is an IDE, then take a look at www.synfig.com, and/or the roadmap for inkscape. It's not a proper IDE (as in, you can only make an animation, not an app), but it's a start that can be built on. If the issue is an IDE, then take a look at http://www.synfig.com, and/or the roadmap for inkscape. It’s not a proper IDE (as in, you can only make an animation, not an app), but it’s a start that can be built on.

]]> By: All in a days work… http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98314 All in a days work… Thu, 17 May 2007 11:27:36 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98314 [...] Replacing Flash with something else Didn’t I read almost this exact same article once before already? (tags: Flash) [...] [...] Replacing Flash with something else Didn’t I read almost this exact same article once before already? (tags: Flash) [...]

]]> By: kenrick http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98228 kenrick Wed, 16 May 2007 00:18:27 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98228 geeze just call it Messiah, I'd love to never have to use flash ever again. geeze just call it Messiah, I’d love to never have to use flash ever again.

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98193 sil Tue, 15 May 2007 13:29:34 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98193 David: precisely. :) It's all doable. You could even fall back to embedding a Windows Media Player/QuickTime/Totem/MPplayer widget until <video> exists. David: precisely. :) It’s all doable. You could even fall back to embedding a Windows Media Player/QuickTime/Totem/MPplayer widget until <video> exists.

]]> By: David http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98192 David Tue, 15 May 2007 13:18:48 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98192 OMFG, I am officially going to bed. I've confused WHATWG with the W3C. I'm handing in my Web-Nerd badge until I've got some sleep. Yes, you're right - the only thing holding this back is browser support for the video/audio bits, and a dead-simple IDE. I for one, welcome our SVG/HTML5/JS overlords, or whatever the kids say these days. OMFG, I am officially going to bed. I’ve confused WHATWG with the W3C. I’m handing in my Web-Nerd badge until I’ve got some sleep.

Yes, you’re right - the only thing holding this back is browser support for the video/audio bits, and a dead-simple IDE.

I for one, welcome our SVG/HTML5/JS overlords, or whatever the kids say these days.

]]> By: David http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98191 David Tue, 15 May 2007 13:12:03 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98191 Oh, I just worked it out - you want to replace flash "in place", ie: without creating a plugin/extension? Well that scrubs the .apr concept. But realistically, robots will already have replaced us if you wait for the WHATWG to come to the party. Oh, I just worked it out - you want to replace flash “in place”, ie: without creating a plugin/extension? Well that scrubs the .apr concept.

But realistically, robots will already have replaced us if you wait for the WHATWG to come to the party.

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98190 sil Tue, 15 May 2007 13:11:05 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98190 David: zipping it doesn't help. The browser can't open a zip file. SWF is good because it's single-file both for the browser reading it *and* for the user uploading it. <br /> <br /> mrben: you ain't the first to make that joke ;) David: zipping it doesn’t help. The browser can’t open a zip file. SWF is good because it’s single-file both for the browser reading it *and* for the user uploading it.

mrben: you ain’t the first to make that joke ;)

]]> By: David http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98189 David Tue, 15 May 2007 13:08:07 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/05/15/replacing-flash-with-something-else#comment-98189 This isn't going to help steer you away from building this, and I'm sure you've considered both options already, but anyway .. Ok, so the single-file problem: zip it, zip it good. Jar/XPI/etc etc etc are just zip files with "stuff" in them. So why not compress the "widget/" path, give it a ".apr" extension and call that problem solved? (added bonus - compressed for transfer by default!) For now, use SoundManager2 (or similar) to work around the lack of the appropriate cross-platform options, but keep things extensible enough that you can drop in <video> and <audio> tags when they become supportable. Cheers. This isn’t going to help steer you away from building this, and I’m sure you’ve considered both options already, but anyway ..

Ok, so the single-file problem: zip it, zip it good.

Jar/XPI/etc etc etc are just zip files with “stuff” in them. So why not compress the “widget/” path, give it a “.apr” extension and call that problem solved?

(added bonus - compressed for transfer by default!)

For now, use SoundManager2 (or similar) to work around the lack of the appropriate cross-platform options, but keep things extensible enough that you can drop in <video> and <audio> tags when they become supportable.

Cheers.

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