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	<description>scratched tallies on the prison wall</description>
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		<title>By: nick wild</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-99466</link>
		<dc:creator>nick wild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why can't I connect my Virgin broadband to my new Dell computer.  It has a Broadcom 440 x 10/100 which is working but the Virgin istallation says no network card installed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why can&#8217;t I connect my Virgin broadband to my new Dell computer.  It has a Broadcom 440 x 10/100 which is working but the Virgin istallation says no network card installed.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-98289</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 00:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt Lee - I spent years mixing, co-presenting and generally helping shows on volunteer broadcast radio, so I know what's involved.  Actually, more so, as LugRadio doesn't go out live like our shows did (there's nothing like a snapped tape or dropping the wrong phone line just before an interview to get the adrenalin flowing!) and doesn't have to meet the broadcasting rules or fit in with other programming.

As I've mentioned above, my hearing is not so good any more, so you know that you're on safe ground challenging me to make my own podcast - it's not something I'd be able to do well enough that it's worth putting out there.  That's why I moved from radio to the web over 10 years ago...

I'd quite like to be able to mix stuff, but few podcasters give enough permissions to do it in audio (damn Creative Commons and their encouragement of NC and ND terms), so it gets done in text if at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt Lee - I spent years mixing, co-presenting and generally helping shows on volunteer broadcast radio, so I know what&#8217;s involved.  Actually, more so, as LugRadio doesn&#8217;t go out live like our shows did (there&#8217;s nothing like a snapped tape or dropping the wrong phone line just before an interview to get the adrenalin flowing!) and doesn&#8217;t have to meet the broadcasting rules or fit in with other programming.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve mentioned above, my hearing is not so good any more, so you know that you&#8217;re on safe ground challenging me to make my own podcast - it&#8217;s not something I&#8217;d be able to do well enough that it&#8217;s worth putting out there.  That&#8217;s why I moved from radio to the web over 10 years ago&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d quite like to be able to mix stuff, but few podcasters give enough permissions to do it in audio (damn Creative Commons and their encouragement of NC and ND terms), so it gets done in text if at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-98151</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I think it would be nice if the segments of each episode were available individually. I intend, when I can get the time and the recording quality, to make my own podcasts about Free Software... it would be useful, and nice if I could include interviews or other segments from other podcasts in mine. I would want people to do the same with my podcast. 

Also, allow them to have commercial usage. I don't think there's any reason to restrict this.

I guess I'd use BY-SA for my podcast - now, if the LUGRadio guys don't want to do this, that's a shame. I like LUGradio, and it would be useful to be able to include segments. Can I do this? Please? Under BY-SA?

MJ - do your own podcast, seriously, please. You're a smart guy, you have a good insight to free software and I'd like to hear your thoughts.

I think you'll find that making a regular show, for no-money, in your spare time, and editing it, and putting it out there, and sorting out bandwidth bills and all that goes with it, and then building a community and keeping that going, and then having events, and making sure they're well attended, with a range of other people, all coming to give up their time.

I might disagree with some of what LUGradio says, but I'd miss it not being there, BY-SA-NC-UB-UN-TU or not :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I think it would be nice if the segments of each episode were available individually. I intend, when I can get the time and the recording quality, to make my own podcasts about Free Software&#8230; it would be useful, and nice if I could include interviews or other segments from other podcasts in mine. I would want people to do the same with my podcast. </p>
<p>Also, allow them to have commercial usage. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any reason to restrict this.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;d use BY-SA for my podcast - now, if the LUGRadio guys don&#8217;t want to do this, that&#8217;s a shame. I like LUGradio, and it would be useful to be able to include segments. Can I do this? Please? Under BY-SA?</p>
<p>MJ - do your own podcast, seriously, please. You&#8217;re a smart guy, you have a good insight to free software and I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll find that making a regular show, for no-money, in your spare time, and editing it, and putting it out there, and sorting out bandwidth bills and all that goes with it, and then building a community and keeping that going, and then having events, and making sure they&#8217;re well attended, with a range of other people, all coming to give up their time.</p>
<p>I might disagree with some of what LUGradio says, but I&#8217;d miss it not being there, BY-SA-NC-UB-UN-TU or not :)</p>
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		<title>By: mcl</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-97765</link>
		<dc:creator>mcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 09:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The length of the show has never bothered me. As others have said, seeing as the show is fortnightly, I like having more stuff to listen to and re-listen to, while I'm waiting for the next ep. It's true that I rarely get to listen to the whole thing in one session, but I'm happy to do the pause-resume-thing.

The mates-at-the-pub tone of the show is great. There's real opinions and arguments brought forward. There's unashamed humour and piss-taking. I want to hear all of that. If I want polished, I can listen to NOA - although the content subject-matter is a bit different.

I agree with others: maybe edited and unedited versions would make people happier as long as the capacity requirements don't cause issues. If a decision has to be made, maybe the download figures of each version could help with that.

As for the licensing - what are you afraid of? I haven't seen the discussions on this topic before, so I'm not being rhetorical. Attributions I get, but I don't get no-derivs considering what all of you do. What are the pittfalls you're seeing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The length of the show has never bothered me. As others have said, seeing as the show is fortnightly, I like having more stuff to listen to and re-listen to, while I&#8217;m waiting for the next ep. It&#8217;s true that I rarely get to listen to the whole thing in one session, but I&#8217;m happy to do the pause-resume-thing.</p>
<p>The mates-at-the-pub tone of the show is great. There&#8217;s real opinions and arguments brought forward. There&#8217;s unashamed humour and piss-taking. I want to hear all of that. If I want polished, I can listen to NOA - although the content subject-matter is a bit different.</p>
<p>I agree with others: maybe edited and unedited versions would make people happier as long as the capacity requirements don&#8217;t cause issues. If a decision has to be made, maybe the download figures of each version could help with that.</p>
<p>As for the licensing - what are you afraid of? I haven&#8217;t seen the discussions on this topic before, so I&#8217;m not being rhetorical. Attributions I get, but I don&#8217;t get no-derivs considering what all of you do. What are the pittfalls you&#8217;re seeing?</p>
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		<title>By: sheepeatingtaz</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-97749</link>
		<dc:creator>sheepeatingtaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 09:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MJ Ray: My tracked version was never pimped as being an 'edited' version. My blog post here: http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/blog/2007/04/23/lugradio-tracked-high-mp3/
states why I created it, and it's nothing to do with editing it, it's because of the way the mp3 player in my car works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MJ Ray: My tracked version was never pimped as being an &#8216;edited&#8217; version. My blog post here: <a href="http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/blog/2007/04/23/lugradio-tracked-high-mp3/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/blog/2007/04/23/lugradio-tracked-high-mp3/</a><br />
states why I created it, and it&#8217;s nothing to do with editing it, it&#8217;s because of the way the mp3 player in my car works!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Revell</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-97745</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Revell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 08:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, admittedly, I'm not on the show much at the moment, I still want to reply :)

We've always spoken over each other a bit too much and we always say we want to improve it. You have to be in the studio, at a recording, to understand why it happens. It really is just like having a chat down the pub and it's easy to forget the microphones. We'll work on it, honest :)

Show length: again, I think this is something we'll look at. We used to be more disciplined with segment length and Jono was always the person who kept his eye on timing. I think the other three of us wore him down a bit, though. However, being tight was something that I think distinguished us from many other podcasts so I don't want us to lose that.

Licensing: this is something that we'll no doubt look at again but I dunno if we'll come up with a different answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, admittedly, I&#8217;m not on the show much at the moment, I still want to reply :)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve always spoken over each other a bit too much and we always say we want to improve it. You have to be in the studio, at a recording, to understand why it happens. It really is just like having a chat down the pub and it&#8217;s easy to forget the microphones. We&#8217;ll work on it, honest :)</p>
<p>Show length: again, I think this is something we&#8217;ll look at. We used to be more disciplined with segment length and Jono was always the person who kept his eye on timing. I think the other three of us wore him down a bit, though. However, being tight was something that I think distinguished us from many other podcasts so I don&#8217;t want us to lose that.</p>
<p>Licensing: this is something that we&#8217;ll no doubt look at again but I dunno if we&#8217;ll come up with a different answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudmouthman</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-97744</link>
		<dc:creator>Loudmouthman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 08:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it was the spurious hexadecimal character strings that someone dropped in , at first I thought it was just another spammer or possibly a encoded message ( done for a laugh i suppose ) but I see today its the HD-DVD story that it was linked to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was the spurious hexadecimal character strings that someone dropped in , at first I thought it was just another spammer or possibly a encoded message ( done for a laugh i suppose ) but I see today its the HD-DVD story that it was linked to.</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-97740</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 07:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What comment about HD DVD? I don't even know what you're talking about there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What comment about HD DVD? I don&#8217;t even know what you&#8217;re talking about there.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudmouthman</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-97739</link>
		<dc:creator>Loudmouthman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 07:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice you took down the comment regarding  HD-DVD numbers and quite right to,  but lets not let the Digg community find out or they will be all over here as well. It appears to have been a few days of editorial discussion and positioning ( even the Ubuntu planet got edited quickly thanks to the Dell story).

The point is , that editorial decisions are being made quite a bit lately and this thread seems to have gone from   "reaction over criticism" which in turn was a reaction over comments, to a thread about editorial content. Personally I found that comment regarding MJ Ray  and other comments  such as  "Smoking is cool" are  inappropriate material for a publically broadcast and internationally popular show. 

It is entirely your show to do with as  you will. If asked what I would prefer , a shorter show with less opportunity for mouths to run ahead of minds,  but thats my preference. I thought I was the only one who was listening  less these days , because I was just getting older , its interesting to see that a few other listeners have made the same comments about listening less.

Possibly the community wants to have a conversation about the show, possibly its time to listen again. 

Though these are just my opinions and do not constitute facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice you took down the comment regarding  HD-DVD numbers and quite right to,  but lets not let the Digg community find out or they will be all over here as well. It appears to have been a few days of editorial discussion and positioning ( even the Ubuntu planet got edited quickly thanks to the Dell story).</p>
<p>The point is , that editorial decisions are being made quite a bit lately and this thread seems to have gone from   &#8220;reaction over criticism&#8221; which in turn was a reaction over comments, to a thread about editorial content. Personally I found that comment regarding MJ Ray  and other comments  such as  &#8220;Smoking is cool&#8221; are  inappropriate material for a publically broadcast and internationally popular show. </p>
<p>It is entirely your show to do with as  you will. If asked what I would prefer , a shorter show with less opportunity for mouths to run ahead of minds,  but thats my preference. I thought I was the only one who was listening  less these days , because I was just getting older , its interesting to see that a few other listeners have made the same comments about listening less.</p>
<p>Possibly the community wants to have a conversation about the show, possibly its time to listen again. </p>
<p>Though these are just my opinions and do not constitute facts.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/04/28/die-broadcom#comment-97727</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt Jones: Not being dry doesn't mean it has to sound like a wall of noise.  In a chat in a pub, you look at the person who's talking that you're interested in, which makes them louder than the others.  If you can't switch between them, it becomes a jumble, which is why radio shows are mixed, why live panel chairs have to be fairly strict about one-at-a-time and one way that LugRadio's editing has fallen lately.  If they're unwilling to remix the show to put the speaker on a higher level than the heckles, they need to be a bit better at shutting the fuck up when someone else is speaking.  (Not too much, else yes, it could get too dry...)

Another thing that makes it a frustrating listen is that one or more of the presenters (I'm a midlander, but my broken hearing means that I can't always tell them apart) seems to keep talking at all costs - not giving way, even when they aren't ready to say their point.  Then that's all getting left in the show.  Ready the bundled socks and physically put a sock in it, please!

@Félim Whiteley: would an hour a week instead of two hours every 2 weeks make a difference to you?

@McLurker: I think sheepeatingtaz's tracked versions would be good enough, if there were splits on segment boundaries and they appeared in the podcast feeds.

@gilmae: hrm, my Samsung also hates freedom a bit (but supports Ogg) but doesn't have that useful feature!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt Jones: Not being dry doesn&#8217;t mean it has to sound like a wall of noise.  In a chat in a pub, you look at the person who&#8217;s talking that you&#8217;re interested in, which makes them louder than the others.  If you can&#8217;t switch between them, it becomes a jumble, which is why radio shows are mixed, why live panel chairs have to be fairly strict about one-at-a-time and one way that LugRadio&#8217;s editing has fallen lately.  If they&#8217;re unwilling to remix the show to put the speaker on a higher level than the heckles, they need to be a bit better at shutting the fuck up when someone else is speaking.  (Not too much, else yes, it could get too dry&#8230;)</p>
<p>Another thing that makes it a frustrating listen is that one or more of the presenters (I&#8217;m a midlander, but my broken hearing means that I can&#8217;t always tell them apart) seems to keep talking at all costs - not giving way, even when they aren&#8217;t ready to say their point.  Then that&#8217;s all getting left in the show.  Ready the bundled socks and physically put a sock in it, please!</p>
<p>@Félim Whiteley: would an hour a week instead of two hours every 2 weeks make a difference to you?</p>
<p>@McLurker: I think sheepeatingtaz&#8217;s tracked versions would be good enough, if there were splits on segment boundaries and they appeared in the podcast feeds.</p>
<p>@gilmae: hrm, my Samsung also hates freedom a bit (but supports Ogg) but doesn&#8217;t have that useful feature!</p>
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