This is as days pass by, by Stuart Langridge

And this is Vodafone are liars. Film at 11., written , and concerning Rants

I'm in the market for a new mobile phone. My SonyEricsson z800i (chosen after lots of helpful advice from my glorious readship) is now starting to feel the pinch a bit: the buttons sometimes don't respond, for example. It's also the size of Bolivia, which means that if I'm not wearing a jacket and I try and cram it into my pocket then I look like John Wayne. Plus, people laugh at me on the train because they think I'm doing a Gordon Gekko impression and it's some sort of performance art. So, new phone required. I do have a list of requirements, which you'll find below because I'm now looking for advice again, but I thought this time I had it cracked. After research (by which I obviously mean: reading things on the internet), I decided on the Motorola KRZR K1 (which is sometimes called a MOTOKRZR instead. why? Who the fuck knows. Perhaps they're twins.) It's a nice looking phone, and it did pretty much all the stuff I wanted it to do. Including (and this is important for the next bit), SyncML, the thing that lets you synchronise your list of contacts with a server out there on the wild wild internet. I need that: for one thing, I don't want to have to type all the people I know in again. For another, I like a backup. Thirdly, it means I can edit contact details on the web rather than on the phone. I already have a SyncML account at mobical.net, which is excellent; I don't want to move to another one. (People thinking "just store your contacts on the SIM card": that fails the "have a backup" criterion.) I noticed that Vodafone (my current mobile provider) offer the KRZR in their list of "phones you can upgrade to", and after a phone call it turned out that I could upgrade to that phone for free. How cool is that, eh? That sounds like the way for me. Yes, says I; I'll have that, please. Vodafone person: "It comes in two colours, sir, blue and silver. Which would you like?" Your gentle narrator: "What's the difference between them?" V: "Nothing; one's blue and one's silver." Me: "OK, I'll have a blue one, please. I like blue." V: "Certainly, sir, it'll be with you tomorrow by courier." The next day (Friday 16th March, last Friday) my brand new phone arrives. I excitedly unpack the box, put the battery and the microSD card and my SIM card in it, plug it in to charge up. Two hours pass, and it's completely charged. Ringing my phone number rings the phone -- yay! So, excitement building, I think: OK, time to pull down my contacts onto this phone. I RTFM (rly!) -- the Vodafone-branded manual, note -- to discover that the way you set up a SyncML connection is: Menu > Connectivity > Synchronisation > Vodafone sync > New Entry. Ah, but...in Synchronisation, there's no Vodafone sync entry. There's just Exchange, and that's it. After a few minutes poking around, I ring 191 to talk to Vodafone about it. After explaining my problem, and then explaining it again in shorter words, and then explaining it again to a technical person, and then explaining that I was following the instructions in their manual with their logo on the front, I get: V: "Ah, the blue KRZR doesn't have that function. You need the silver one for that." Me: (splutter) "But I spoke to your colleague who said that they were the same!" V: "I'm sorry, she must have got that wrong. The silver one supports SyncML and the blue one doesn't." Me: "But the phone itself supports it. You mean that you've deliberately disabled the function in the blue KRZRs?" V: "Yep." Me: "The silver one definitely does it?" V: "Definitely." Me: "OK. You'll send me a silver one and pick up this blue one at your expense, since you lied to me about them being the same." V: (concilatory tone) "Of course, sir, no problem. It'll be there Monday. At some point between 8.30 and 6pm." A little divergence here. How the fuck is it reasonable to say "We'll deliver it at some point in this NINE HOUR WINDOW"??? It was fortunate I could have this delivered to work. Everyone does this now. I end up having to take a whole damned day off when we have furniture delivered, and 90% of that time off is wasted for the half an hour that they actually deliver the bastard. While I appreciate that it's a different situation, Andy tells me that a drayman, delivering beer to pubs, can give you a FIVE MINUTE window in which they'll turn up, and they always manage it. Moving furniture is a bit different to moving beer, especially since beer deliveries are always to the same pubs rather than arbitrary houses, but it's just one more example of companies making customers bear all the brunt and pain even though they're paying the money. Fuckers. Back to the story. You can see where this is leading, can't you? Monday passes: no phone. Today, Tuesday: the new phone arrives. A silver KRZR K1. Unpack, put in SIM, put in microSD, put in battery, charge, two hours, turn on, ring to confirm it works, decide to check SyncML. (are you ready? prepare yourselves...you might want to hold on to something so you can properly handle the shock) Lo and behold, my snazzy new silver KRZR, which definitely, definitely supports SyncML, has exactly the same damned Exchange item and nothing else in its Synchronisation menu! Amazing, eh? fume, fume, fume, fume. 191. Wait for two minutes. Me: (five minutes of introductory stuff elided) "You swore blind that this phone wasn't hobbled like the blue one! grnch grnch grnch" (time passes. I try to not get too irate because it's not the fault of the call centre employee) V: I've spoken to our technical people, and they say that the phone supports SyncML." Me: "I know it supports SyncML! You numpties have deliberately turned it off in the Vodafone firmware! Which you swore blind you hadn't done on the silver one! grnch grnch grnch" V: "You'll have to talk to our 14-day returns department." (time passes. You may be eaten by a grue. Alternatively you may lose so much blood by bleeding out of your ears in anger that you fall unconscious.) Different Vodafone person: "No, sir, the blue and the silver phones are exactly the same, they're just different colours." Me: "But, but, but, I specifically asked that and was told it was not the case! I've wasted nearly a week of my life on this!" V: "All we can recommend is that you send the phone back. We'll cancel your 18 month contract extension when we get the phone back." Me: "And I shall go and talk to a third -party phone vendor who doesn't hobble their phones. Why do you do that, by the way?" V: "I don't know, sir." So, the phone goes back tomorrow. Remember, kids: winners don't buy phones from Vodafone, because they'll tell you lies about their capabilities. Their network seems fine, and their technical people seem fine if you can get to them, but their phone sales people just lie to you. Now I need a phone. I'm still debating the KRZR, but from a third-party. If you have any other suggestions that will meet the stuff below, I'm interested in hearing them.
  • A flip phone. Not a clamshell one (which is short and rounded and quite thick), but a long thin one (like the KRZR, or the z800i)
  • Not made by Sony. I'm boycotting Sony for putting a rootkit on people's machines and lying about it. Not interested in discussion on this point: I'm not asking you to boycott them, but I am doing.
  • Supports SyncML
  • Bluetooth
  • Enough Java support to run Opera Mini
For extra credit (read: I'd really like these things, but they aren't ultra-critical)
  • Supports JSR-75, which means that Java applets can read and write to the phone's storage (SD card). This will be immeasurably helpful for ReadManiac, the e-book reader that I use.
  • Charges over USB instead of a proprietary connector
  • Can be plugged into a USB socket and appear as a hard drive
  • Plays mp3s. For über-extra-credit: plays Ogg Vorbis.
  • I can buy it with a Vodafone contract, so I don't have weeks of pain transferring my number and getting a data account set up. If I can't, then it can be on any network except T-Mobile, who have ruinously high data charges.
Suggestions welcome. Remember: Vodafone tell you lies about phones. Watch out for them.

Comments

Recluisve Monkey

It doesn't quiite fit all your specs, but have a look at the Nokia N80. I love mine :-) I use zyb.com to sync my data and it works pretty well, although my contacts don't change much. The WiFi and 3 megapixel camera sold me on it.

Matt Jones

I hate the vodafone firmware, they put it on every device. It really cuts the features of the phone. I have one of the original motorola razr's, and in the manual it describes how to set up an email account, which would be quite useful for me. Once you have entered your imap details, you look for a 'done' Button. However the only two options that are available are 'change' and 'cancel'. After several attempts and several times of reading the manual, I am still no clearer on how to do it.

The only reason I stay with them is that all my family use vodafone as my aunt and cousin both work for them. My aunt works in one of the call centres, so I do have some sympathy for the people who work there, but vodafone as a company really are not good.

sil

ReclusiveMonkey: what does the N80 not do? I'll take a look.

Robin

I really like my Nokia 6233 which fits everything on your initial list (I think) apart from being a flip (I much prefer the candybar style layout). It also does JSR-75 apparently.

As for T-Mobile charges, I just picked up their Web'n'Walk package which gives me unlimited data access. Well, it slows down if you go over 2gig but you'd have to be downloading a lot to get there.

I think Vodafone's equivalent of the 6233 is the 6234, but that the differences are just cosmetic?

Paul Freeman

Can I just compliment you on this near perfect rant? The only negative was that it was just too coherent :)

Didn't the vodaphone drone tell you about the green KRKR that supports SyncML. Or so they told me, the lying idiots.

David Dean

Please, stop buying Voda branded phones. The way I discovered they were evil was similar - except I watched a friend go through the pain, rather than doing it myself. To explain it, we'll need to take a trip back in time, to 2004 ... (2004) ... (2004) ...

Sony Ericsson K700i, the hot new phone on the block has just been released in Australia. I'm shopping around for a phone, and have decided that it looks incredible - it does all that fancy xhtml browsing that I am thinking of playing with. Now it's just time to wait out the telco's until I can get it for free on a reasonable plan.

So I turn up to work (oddly enough, a minor telco call center) a few months later with my brand new k700i and people fawn over it as expected, and I get a few precious moments of being the star of the show. It's amazing what will turn into a status symbol if everyone you know is essentially broke and working for minimum wage.

The next day, there are two more k700i's. Really. That night, people went out and got new phones based of five minutes of me clicking "set as ringtone" on mp3s. And similar goofy tricks.

One of these is Vodaphone branded, and Ricardo is having trouble getting it to do things he's actually seen mine do. So I have a look at it.

The thing to remember here is that the k700i has a keypad, a joystick, and two buttons (l/r) - plus a few "one-function" buttons on the sides (launch web, volume, camera, etc).

So when you navigate a menu, you hit "l" to do some designer's idea of a common action (like play an mp3), and "r" to get a little menu of "possible actions with this item" - it's like a right-click on a PC, and it's probably the best way of doing it I've ever seen.

So when Vodafone have been working out how exactly to cripple this phone with their own firmware, have taken a five second glance at this phone's interface over the top of their monitor and then gone back to browsing porn, after realising that the phone had a big handy button the right hand side that no-one would ever need, right?

So yep, "alternative function" became "Vodafone!". Always. No matter what.

I figure that the button must be pretty smart, and you can just drill into a menu, and the button will turn back to "alternative function" when you get into a menu - uh, nope. I drill down to an mp3 file in his phone, and hit that right button by muscle memory alone.

When you hit "Vodafone!" you get to wait for the glorious "loading web page ..." screen as the phone runs out the back to tell momma to start peddling 'cause "someone wants teh intarwebs", and eventually, you get a splash page of all the wonderful crap you can do with Vodafone.

So this stopped:

- sending a text message from the contacts list (you need to back out, and go into "messaging" and look someone up

- doing anything with media files other than hitting "play"

- essentially, ANYTHING that crossed the 'mode' boundaries of your phone

Honestly, they removed 3/4ths of the phones functionality, just so they can scream "VODAFONE!!! YOU'RE WITH VODAFONE AND WE LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUU!" every few minutes. If a company will literally cripple a phone, remove features just to apply more branding moments, how can you think they still love you?

I think of people with Vodafone as being in an abusive relationship, that they havent worked out yet. Please, just get out - it's only going to get harder to leave them. :)

v0xel

You're looking for a dreamphone, it may come to you in your dreams, but it'll disappear when you wake up. :)

In the meantime, try Nokia e50 or e60 -- not a flip phone, but it has all the functions you need.

I have LG p7200, and, in short: it has USB disk support, it looks similar to razr, and hardware is good, but the software is crap (e.g. java doesn't work properly, and forget about SyncML).

btw

I don't know how things are in UK, but in Serbia when you get phone with crappy firmware, you go to the nearest shop, pay 10eur and have it replaced with the one you like :)

sil

v0xel: I could flash the firmware myself. The problem with that is, at some point in the future I'm bound to, say, have a problem where GPRS won't connect because Vodafone have broken my account. However, as soon as they discover that I'm not running the Vodafone firmware on my phone, they'll blame that for everything. It'll be like telling your ISP that you run Linux: they stop listening and blame everything on that, even if you *know* that the problem's at their end. I just can't face that hassle.

v0xel

Well, that's the bad side of having large operators like Vodafone... I guess we're still lucky (our operators don't give you phones for free, and don't mess with your firmware)...

Reclusive Monkey

Hi Sil,

As for your primary requirements, the only one that the N80 doesn't fit is being thin; its about an inch thick at the widest point. Some people on the Nokia forums have complained about the slider in that its a bit wobbly; well its not rigid, but it doesn't bother me. Its got bluetooth, infra-red and Wifi as I mentioned. The bluetooth works great with Feisty. The default browser that comes with the phone is part of Symbian and its so good you won't want to use Opera mini (although I did try Opera mini at one point and it seemed to work fine). I'm not sure whether it supports Java writing to the storage but if you can point me to a link with a free/trial version of the eBook reader I'll give it a try for you. I have a 2Gb SanDisk Ultra II miniSD in the phone and it works well. I can plug it into a USB port with the supplied cable and it mounts in Feisty as a USB Drive. There is no USB charging cable as I am aware, but this being Nokia you may be able to find one. The default music player plays MP3s, and you can get a free Ogg player from many of the various Symbian software sites and it worked fine for me. I don't have a contract (I prefer pay as you go as I actually "phone" very little!) so I can't say about Vodaphone. My pay as you go is with Orange.

Nokia release updates for the phone and the first one I tried worked fine for me but I've not bothered to keep up to date with that as the phone works great. I'll stop here or people will think I am a Nokia shill... the *only* lacking feature is autofocus on the camera (and a two day battery life, but that's normal for a "smart" phone now I believe).

Take a look at the N80 on the Nokia site, although it may be superseded by later Nokia models now. The Nokia forums are a good place to see user feedback too. Flickr has lots of photos tagged with N80 as well so you can see the quality of the pics.

Matthew Revell

It always surprises me that you're a Vodafone customer. They seem to be the least customer-friendly of all the networks; yes, even less friendly than Three.

Their tariffs are expensive and they hobble their phones.

Porting numbers between networks is really easy now. I've done it quite recently and it takes five working days, during which time your old SIM continues to work as normal. There's no hassle and it sounds like you really need to get away from Vodafone.

sil

Matt: it's because I wanted a z800i (the phone I currently have), and the only place I could find it with a contract was Expansys, who only did it with a Vodafone contract. I think I may go back to Orange, though, or on to O2. Still not sure what phone to get, though; it turns out the MOTOKRZR doesn't support the JSR75 FileConnection API, which is the bit I want (JSR75 is in two halves; PIM and FileConnection, and I need FileConnection). So, we're exploring.

sil

Current top of my list, by the way, is the Nokia N76, which isn't out yet...

sil

No, I was wrong. The Nokia 6290 is apparently the same thing as the N76 but not annoying. So maybe the 6290. Of course, I can't find that either.

Matthew Revell

Ah, I see.

If you do move onto O2, be aware of a slightly odd aspect of their network.

When you receive a voicemail, most GSM networks appear to send an SMS that tells your handset to switch on the voicemail icon. When you've listened to the voicemail, the network sends another SMS to turn the icon off.

O2, bizarrely, doesn't do this, so your phone's voicemail icon is redundant. Instead, it rings you when you have a voicemail. If you answer, it connects you to your voicemail.

This is annoying because it's easy to forget you have a voicemail. Also, if you reject a call, because you're in a meeting, you get another within a couple of minutes if the person left a voicemail - meaning double the embarrassment, etc.

Bill

http://www.o2.co.uk/services/messaging/voicemail901/howtogetstarted

Tom

After a very bad experience involving months of tedious and time-consuming bus trips in my lunch-hour to Oxford Street I would suggest the Carphone Warehouse do not treat you like a star. I doubt Elton John has people texting while they serve him, forward him on to the next shop down the road where they might possibly do repairs, and forget to let him know whether or not a repair has occurred. I am also suspicious of a communications company that has a phone system that doesn't work: "Press 1 to speak to a fax machine; press 2 to be cut off."

The phone in question was a RAZR as advertised on that there Big Brother. The second replacement phone has just died, so I wouldn't recommend Motorola either. Virgin, who supplied the sim card, would have replaced the phone themselves, only Carphone Warehouse forgot to register it.

An emotional charge was added to the whole affair by this happening while my wife was heavily pregnant and a broken mobile phone was not a joke.

My Nokia brick works fine, my crappy old Sagem was reliable as anything until I left it on a train, and my wife's Panasonic refuses to die. I think you're after more than reliability, however.

vodafone employe!!!

hi all ive just stumbled on this site and after reading all your comments i have to say i agree with you all not only is vodafone completely shit to deal with its the same to work for!!! i work in retail vodafone andd all im ever told to say and do is lie to customers buts its no on you guys are the heart and sole of the company and if they carnt be arsed to deliver decent service then they need to be fuckin shot!!! all i can say is im not like the rest of the twats in vodafone im honest and straight to the point. if there is any one eles who feels the same way then join me in slaging of skodafone. for safty resons i carnt give my real name because there shity wage just about pays my bills untill i can find something eles better!!! sorry guys for all the shit and hassel you have had from the company.vodafone slayer

sil

I've just bought the Nokia E50 on T-Mobile, since their web-and-walk plan offers unlimited internet access. The bloke in the T-Mobile shop was massively helpful. Nice one, bloke. We're very pleased with that!

Cambridge Blue

You should have just kept the blue K1 on voda and unlocked the features. I have one that that was supplied by voda uk with half the good features unavailable. Half hour and a seem edit tutorial downloaded from the net and I have a fully unlocked voda K1 with every possible feature that you could want enabled. Its still looks and smells like the voda K1. CB =]

Anonymous Coward

whatever

leah

ok, i dont know about ur question, but someone please please help me with this.. im on vodafone (grrrr) i need to break free of vodafoe but i wanna keep my number is this possible? and also, i have free weekends, which is free txt and calls saturday and sunday providing i spend £5 or more during the week. so i do this. and i recieve a txt spewing the usual 'congratulations! you've qualified for free weekends and txts this weekend' tosh. so i try to make a call, and the patronising automated bitch tells me i havent enough calling credit to make this call. WHY? so of course i cant get through to a human on 191 to ask what they're playing at, without topping up, because i havent enough fucking credit. infuriating. so does anyone else have this problem?? or do vodafone just dislike me? leah140@hotmail.co.uk i would really appreciate answers!! also, i went to sleep with roughly £4 credit and woke up with 67p the other night. i really need to get away from vodafone, is there any way of getting that credit back though? - Orange SIM is in the post - **Cheers Guys**

Anon

Vodafone lie to make a sale. I believe the deliberately put untrained people on the call centers so we get the idea we're getting a good deal. With vodafone, if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.

nathan

vodafone are shit!! join the facebook group and maybe we can show the world how shit they are...!!! http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=119561574367

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