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		<title>By: Drop down list of country names &#171; The Lumber Room</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-99778</link>
		<dc:creator>Drop down list of country names &#171; The Lumber Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Drop down list of country&#160;names Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; shreevatsa @ 09:50:58 +0000 Tags: usability  First saw it here:as days pass by » Blog Archive » Form usability, and then here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Drop down list of country&nbsp;names Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; shreevatsa @ 09:50:58 +0000 Tags: usability  First saw it here:as days pass by » Blog Archive » Form usability, and then here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Form &#187; Form usability</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-63553</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax Form &#187; Form usability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original post by sil and software by Elliott Back [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Soussan</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-63524</link>
		<dc:creator>David Soussan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love to hate the Post Office as well.

They've not even provided enough lines for many full UK postal addresses: and believe me they will fail to deliver without a full address these days. So they must be going to relie on post code and street number. 
I'm just surprised that they pre-select UK and not USA like so many forms: which usually also have redundant fields for 'State' (2 digit) and zip code that won't accept a UK post code even after you've selected UK, or presumably France, Spain, etc.

My pet peeve is that they and the postal authorities in other countries have NOT compiled XML Schema Definitions (XSD) for their postal address format that we could all then use to generate valid forms once a country has been selected. (It might then influence all the dumb-asses to create enough fields in their dbs to hold a proper address in the first place.) I used to live in hope that UN/CEFACT would take as lead in this, as they did on EDIFACT in the 70's, but no such luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love to hate the Post Office as well.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve not even provided enough lines for many full UK postal addresses: and believe me they will fail to deliver without a full address these days. So they must be going to relie on post code and street number.<br />
I&#8217;m just surprised that they pre-select UK and not USA like so many forms: which usually also have redundant fields for &#8216;State&#8217; (2 digit) and zip code that won&#8217;t accept a UK post code even after you&#8217;ve selected UK, or presumably France, Spain, etc.</p>
<p>My pet peeve is that they and the postal authorities in other countries have NOT compiled XML Schema Definitions (XSD) for their postal address format that we could all then use to generate valid forms once a country has been selected. (It might then influence all the dumb-asses to create enough fields in their dbs to hold a proper address in the first place.) I used to live in hope that UN/CEFACT would take as lead in this, as they did on EDIFACT in the 70&#8217;s, but no such luck.</p>
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		<title>By: http://drewp.pip.verisignlabs.com/</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-58511</link>
		<dc:creator>http://drewp.pip.verisignlabs.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am disappointed with this rant. Why does it stop so suddenly? :)

'Please complete all the items marked with an asterisk*' ?! How did the original meaning of asterisks on forms get taken over to mean "required"? Why not say "required" on those entries? The asterisk instructions are then overridden with more instructions midway down the form. You didn't paste this part, but the asterisks go crazy in the lower sections of the form. At least in my firefox, I'm seeing fields with repeated labels and asterisks after each.

I'm not from UK, so I don't know if the intended audience knows what 'house name' is. For all the fields with even slighly-obscure syntaxes, how about a sample off to the side? Less-experienced users can get pretty nervous when asked to enter a phone number into a blank space. At least in the US, we have no standard phone number format. It's not enough that the server would -accept- any format; the user should feel confident about what she is typing in.

Date of birth- clunky. If a list of 100+ drop-down numbers was cool, why not use it for the parts of the phone number too? I'm kidding!

T&#38;C and privacy policy are spaced apart and presented differently. Doesn't T&#38;C include PP?

There are about 30 things to fill in, but this layout as-is has no chance of fitting on anyone's screen. Loose layout is fine and whitespace is nice, but wouldn't the user's experience be better if she could see the progress she was making on this long form? Multiple columns, multiple pages, and above all fewer entries (e.g. city and postcode are redundant) could help.

'work phone number' is apparently not required. Why should anyone fill it in? If there's a reason the number would help, the form should tell you what that reason is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disappointed with this rant. Why does it stop so suddenly? :)</p>
<p>&#8216;Please complete all the items marked with an asterisk*&#8217; ?! How did the original meaning of asterisks on forms get taken over to mean &#8220;required&#8221;? Why not say &#8220;required&#8221; on those entries? The asterisk instructions are then overridden with more instructions midway down the form. You didn&#8217;t paste this part, but the asterisks go crazy in the lower sections of the form. At least in my firefox, I&#8217;m seeing fields with repeated labels and asterisks after each.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not from UK, so I don&#8217;t know if the intended audience knows what &#8216;house name&#8217; is. For all the fields with even slighly-obscure syntaxes, how about a sample off to the side? Less-experienced users can get pretty nervous when asked to enter a phone number into a blank space. At least in the US, we have no standard phone number format. It&#8217;s not enough that the server would -accept- any format; the user should feel confident about what she is typing in.</p>
<p>Date of birth- clunky. If a list of 100+ drop-down numbers was cool, why not use it for the parts of the phone number too? I&#8217;m kidding!</p>
<p>T&amp;C and privacy policy are spaced apart and presented differently. Doesn&#8217;t T&amp;C include PP?</p>
<p>There are about 30 things to fill in, but this layout as-is has no chance of fitting on anyone&#8217;s screen. Loose layout is fine and whitespace is nice, but wouldn&#8217;t the user&#8217;s experience be better if she could see the progress she was making on this long form? Multiple columns, multiple pages, and above all fewer entries (e.g. city and postcode are redundant) could help.</p>
<p>&#8216;work phone number&#8217; is apparently not required. Why should anyone fill it in? If there&#8217;s a reason the number would help, the form should tell you what that reason is.</p>
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		<title>By: Devon Young</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-58344</link>
		<dc:creator>Devon Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it funny how so many of the most professional, most established, or most powerful companies/institutions can't seem to make a decently usable website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it funny how so many of the most professional, most established, or most powerful companies/institutions can&#8217;t seem to make a decently usable website.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Eastwell</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-57919</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Eastwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Splendid! Nothing I like more than reading a heartfelt rant, made my morning. I do have to agree about the Country finder. 

Although, would people be offended if you get to choose from seven or eight 'well-known' countries and you find your country isn't present? I suppose not as much as having to choose from 120-odd and your country isn't there without an option to add it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Splendid! Nothing I like more than reading a heartfelt rant, made my morning. I do have to agree about the Country finder. </p>
<p>Although, would people be offended if you get to choose from seven or eight &#8216;well-known&#8217; countries and you find your country isn&#8217;t present? I suppose not as much as having to choose from 120-odd and your country isn&#8217;t there without an option to add it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-57551</link>
		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See my rant on how to find out a formfiller's country in a civilised manner

http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2006/forms-inputting-country-names/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See my rant on how to find out a formfiller&#8217;s country in a civilised manner</p>
<p><a href="http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2006/forms-inputting-country-names/" rel="nofollow">http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2006/forms-inputting-country-names/</a></p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-57515</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fizz: I checked them and a couple of others, and they were cheapest, but it was all much of a muchness (somewhere around the hundred pound mark for a year's insurance including trips to the US). So I went with the post office because, well, I like the post office :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fizz: I checked them and a couple of others, and they were cheapest, but it was all much of a muchness (somewhere around the hundred pound mark for a year&#8217;s insurance including trips to the US). So I went with the post office because, well, I like the post office :)</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-57513</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of using GeoIP to enter a value into the text box and then allowing people to overtype it. I don't get why you need the big list, to be honest; big lists are useful if and only if you really need to know the exact value and people must not get it wrong, and to be honest I don't believe either of those things apply in most cases where the big country list is used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of using GeoIP to enter a value into the text box and then allowing people to overtype it. I don&#8217;t get why you need the big list, to be honest; big lists are useful if and only if you really need to know the exact value and people must not get it wrong, and to be honest I don&#8217;t believe either of those things apply in most cases where the big country list is used.</p>
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		<title>By: fizz</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/07/form-usability#comment-57512</link>
		<dc:creator>fizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you checked if the post office is the cheapest? They were quite pricey for us...

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?newsid1083570446,24889,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you checked if the post office is the cheapest? They were quite pricey for us&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?newsid1083570446,24889" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?newsid1083570446,24889</a>,</p>
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