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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-99432</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, while I think about this: the charger backs up the names of your books, suitably crypto'd up, so that you can re-get them from the server if you get a new book reader and put your CC number in again (not to buy them again, just to confirm that you did before), but it doesn't back up the books themselves (so it needs very little storage).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, while I think about this: the charger backs up the names of your books, suitably crypto&#8217;d up, so that you can re-get them from the server if you get a new book reader and put your CC number in again (not to buy them again, just to confirm that you did before), but it doesn&#8217;t back up the books themselves (so it needs very little storage).</p>
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		<title>By: ratfish</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-81828</link>
		<dc:creator>ratfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a book publisher and have been watching this eBook thing with interest for at least ten years now. I still beleive all the predictions that it will take over. I believe it will take over totally. Once 75% of the market shifts to paperless books, it won't be economic to do paper editions so they will go the way of vinyl records. Major publishers will stop releasing them overnight. No less an institution than the British Library has set this tipping point at 2020. I would guess they're being conservative as usual. It doesn't bother me that it's taken a few years longer than expected. It took 40 years for telephones to catch on. When it does catch on, all of the permutations discussed above will come into use and more. The model delivery system exists out there right now in the form of audible.com. It has millions of audio book readers piling on like crazy. They download to all sorts fo devices from desktops to iPods. Audible has all the issues concerning storage of books purchased in a personal library already worked out. They keep them on file andyou can re-access titiles indefinitely once you've purchased them, but only to your registered device. If you drop it in the loo, you are allowed 1 or 2 replacements, then you have to re-register. The thing that will drives demand, even though Audible Books are priced far above their print counterparts, is instantaneous access to content. People will pay a lot for that. I do. There will be free readers, but they won't be popular. People will be falling over themselves to buy deluxe readers for $500. You can get a perfectly good MP for $25, but people prefer the trendy iPod at $150-$350. Tell me people are price conscious when it comes to electronic gear! People will read books on iPods and desktops (especially reference books) and innovators will try to combine cellphones and PDAs with readers but I suspect the specialized reader that is about book-sized will hold the main market for a long time because book readers will want the big, e-ink screen, which is unnecessary for PDA-cell phones. I still believe the Sony Reader will be the killer ap for eBooks but it won't take long for a herd of imitators improve on the present clunky design in dozens of ways, including download technology. It's taking a long time because the content has not been available in digital form and still isn't, but that is changing, thanks to Google. It would be worth my buying a $500 device just to read all the public domain books in the Stanford and Oxford libraries, which Google will soon be supplying for free. I've spent a lot more for a lot less. Now Google is signing up copyright-protected books by the millions as well. Harper Collins and other big publishers and publishing associations are racing Google to put digitize their titles. This is all that's needed to get the eBook economy rolling, and it's just months away now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a book publisher and have been watching this eBook thing with interest for at least ten years now. I still beleive all the predictions that it will take over. I believe it will take over totally. Once 75% of the market shifts to paperless books, it won&#8217;t be economic to do paper editions so they will go the way of vinyl records. Major publishers will stop releasing them overnight. No less an institution than the British Library has set this tipping point at 2020. I would guess they&#8217;re being conservative as usual. It doesn&#8217;t bother me that it&#8217;s taken a few years longer than expected. It took 40 years for telephones to catch on. When it does catch on, all of the permutations discussed above will come into use and more. The model delivery system exists out there right now in the form of audible.com. It has millions of audio book readers piling on like crazy. They download to all sorts fo devices from desktops to iPods. Audible has all the issues concerning storage of books purchased in a personal library already worked out. They keep them on file andyou can re-access titiles indefinitely once you&#8217;ve purchased them, but only to your registered device. If you drop it in the loo, you are allowed 1 or 2 replacements, then you have to re-register. The thing that will drives demand, even though Audible Books are priced far above their print counterparts, is instantaneous access to content. People will pay a lot for that. I do. There will be free readers, but they won&#8217;t be popular. People will be falling over themselves to buy deluxe readers for $500. You can get a perfectly good MP for $25, but people prefer the trendy iPod at $150-$350. Tell me people are price conscious when it comes to electronic gear! People will read books on iPods and desktops (especially reference books) and innovators will try to combine cellphones and PDAs with readers but I suspect the specialized reader that is about book-sized will hold the main market for a long time because book readers will want the big, e-ink screen, which is unnecessary for PDA-cell phones. I still believe the Sony Reader will be the killer ap for eBooks but it won&#8217;t take long for a herd of imitators improve on the present clunky design in dozens of ways, including download technology. It&#8217;s taking a long time because the content has not been available in digital form and still isn&#8217;t, but that is changing, thanks to Google. It would be worth my buying a $500 device just to read all the public domain books in the Stanford and Oxford libraries, which Google will soon be supplying for free. I&#8217;ve spent a lot more for a lot less. Now Google is signing up copyright-protected books by the millions as well. Harper Collins and other big publishers and publishing associations are racing Google to put digitize their titles. This is all that&#8217;s needed to get the eBook economy rolling, and it&#8217;s just months away now.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-58388</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the hardware is &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6345869.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;getting there&lt;/a&gt;, I've been wanted a device with a rollout screen ever since I saw them on Earth: Final Conflict years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the hardware is <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6345869.stm" rel="nofollow">getting there</a>, I&#8217;ve been wanted a device with a rollout screen ever since I saw them on Earth: Final Conflict years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Robo</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-57384</link>
		<dc:creator>Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Design Student Currently developing a product much like you have described. It has a flexible e ink display that can be rolled up inside or wrapped around the electronics.(look at the phillips polymervision site for mor details.) It can download content wirelessly or via USB. and HAS A 2Gb internal memory.long battery life, it measures 90mmx 35 x 25 so is compact and lightweight.I am toying with the idea of incoperating customisable leather/rubber bindings.
would this sort of product be what you are looking for, do you have any other ideas or suggestions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Design Student Currently developing a product much like you have described. It has a flexible e ink display that can be rolled up inside or wrapped around the electronics.(look at the phillips polymervision site for mor details.) It can download content wirelessly or via USB. and HAS A 2Gb internal memory.long battery life, it measures 90mmx 35 x 25 so is compact and lightweight.I am toying with the idea of incoperating customisable leather/rubber bindings.<br />
would this sort of product be what you are looking for, do you have any other ideas or suggestions</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-56119</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lomagirl: it'd be nice to try and build a world where you don't make it the customer who suffers when something not their fault goes wrong, wouldn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lomagirl: it&#8217;d be nice to try and build a world where you don&#8217;t make it the customer who suffers when something not their fault goes wrong, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: lomagirl</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-56115</link>
		<dc:creator>lomagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should anyone allow you to download an electronic book again for free if your PC crashes? Do publishers send replacement copies for physical books that get dropped in the loo? no. (Don't try this at home, by the way.) If hard copy books can be destroyed and you don't get one free, why should you get a free e-book? Markets are driven by built in obscelence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should anyone allow you to download an electronic book again for free if your PC crashes? Do publishers send replacement copies for physical books that get dropped in the loo? no. (Don&#8217;t try this at home, by the way.) If hard copy books can be destroyed and you don&#8217;t get one free, why should you get a free e-book? Markets are driven by built in obscelence.</p>
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		<title>By: Meriblog: Meri Williams&#8217; Weblog &#187; links for 2007-01-10</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-47856</link>
		<dc:creator>Meriblog: Meri Williams&#8217; Weblog &#187; links for 2007-01-10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as days pass by » Blog Archive » A book reader Stuart has some great ideas about what an electronic book reader REALLY needs to look like. I agree with him on most of his points, although given I have NADD, I&#8217;d personally like more than 1 book available at a time as well. (tags: books digial technology ebooks design ideas great) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as days pass by » Blog Archive » A book reader Stuart has some great ideas about what an electronic book reader REALLY needs to look like. I agree with him on most of his points, although given I have NADD, I&#8217;d personally like more than 1 book available at a time as well. (tags: books digial technology ebooks design ideas great) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-47742</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I've given this a lot of thought over the years, having been a bookseller for 10 of them, and I think the mention of mobile phones is the most telling.

Let's pretend that the power-hunger, display resolution and contrast (that is actually what makes reading off a screen tiring, the fact that ink on paper has superlative contrast) problems have been solved. Let's also give the device a USP (do you like my use of dilbert-speak) of being water resistant like a watch, so it is better than a book, as I can read it in the bath fearlessly.

Whether it can do pointless extras is immaterial because already we are looking at a device that will sell contract-free at £200-300 (and I use that mobile phone terminology advisedly).

So what do you do with such a gorgeous looking device? Simple, you give it away just like the mobile phone companies do. If bookshops are clever, they will get in on this and be beating off their customers with sticks, because they will be able to sell dead-tree books (as they will forever..ever..ever), but get in the bookpod of 2010 or whenever it would be.

Hordes of people will not care about DRM, and doing what people have been doing for centuries with books and joining a private subscription library, because they will have something shiney! for free!*

And the bookshops will still sell the musty books, as the 'gift' version of a book to put under the tree. Oh the booktrade will continue to wither and die, but it will only collapse so far. Just as Ikea will never put antique shops out of business.

*although of course free means just-give-us-power-of-attorney-over-your-finances, just as with mobile phones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;ve given this a lot of thought over the years, having been a bookseller for 10 of them, and I think the mention of mobile phones is the most telling.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s pretend that the power-hunger, display resolution and contrast (that is actually what makes reading off a screen tiring, the fact that ink on paper has superlative contrast) problems have been solved. Let&#8217;s also give the device a USP (do you like my use of dilbert-speak) of being water resistant like a watch, so it is better than a book, as I can read it in the bath fearlessly.</p>
<p>Whether it can do pointless extras is immaterial because already we are looking at a device that will sell contract-free at £200-300 (and I use that mobile phone terminology advisedly).</p>
<p>So what do you do with such a gorgeous looking device? Simple, you give it away just like the mobile phone companies do. If bookshops are clever, they will get in on this and be beating off their customers with sticks, because they will be able to sell dead-tree books (as they will forever..ever..ever), but get in the bookpod of 2010 or whenever it would be.</p>
<p>Hordes of people will not care about DRM, and doing what people have been doing for centuries with books and joining a private subscription library, because they will have something shiney! for free!*</p>
<p>And the bookshops will still sell the musty books, as the &#8216;gift&#8217; version of a book to put under the tree. Oh the booktrade will continue to wither and die, but it will only collapse so far. Just as Ikea will never put antique shops out of business.</p>
<p>*although of course free means just-give-us-power-of-attorney-over-your-finances, just as with mobile phones.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-46510</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the basic idea, especially the effort to make it as book-like as possible: folding size, light conditions, etc. I don't however get the DRM side of it. It doesn't so much avoid DRM as implement the most brutal form of it. With books there is no expectation of doing anything else with it as you physically just can't, unless you want to photocopy it which produces something undesirable to read (and is a lot of work to produce). The cat is out of Pandora's box with electronic materials and I still imagine people &lt;em&gt;wanting&lt;/em&gt; to manipulate them even if they don't do it a lot. I have an instintive reaction of "why can't I put this on my PC?" Why can't I produce an Excel file of all the books I own (I know people who have been know to catalogue or classify their collections)?

I can also see a device like this having lots of further uses beyond the novel, e.g. newspapers (if they haven't died a well-earnt death by then). Another example would be academic textbooks which are, I believe, a large part of the ebook market as it now stands. I frequently see people reading these on trains and buses, or at least the ones light enough to carry. These would greatly benefit from manipulation, searching, copying and pasting, inserting metadata into reading list software, and so on. The competitor that provides this will win. Similarly, why not have the ability to put personal/company papers and reports and so forth on it? Business people I fear would relish the opportunity to produce extra gadgets on the train table: laptop, Blackberry, mobile phone, ebook reader. 

In conclusion, a few plugs and sockets wouldn't go amiss, artfully disguised. I understand the appeal of having something that is just a book, but I can't imagine marketing something on the grounds that you can't do some things with it. The DRM issue has to be faced off legally I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the basic idea, especially the effort to make it as book-like as possible: folding size, light conditions, etc. I don&#8217;t however get the DRM side of it. It doesn&#8217;t so much avoid DRM as implement the most brutal form of it. With books there is no expectation of doing anything else with it as you physically just can&#8217;t, unless you want to photocopy it which produces something undesirable to read (and is a lot of work to produce). The cat is out of Pandora&#8217;s box with electronic materials and I still imagine people <em>wanting</em> to manipulate them even if they don&#8217;t do it a lot. I have an instintive reaction of &#8220;why can&#8217;t I put this on my PC?&#8221; Why can&#8217;t I produce an Excel file of all the books I own (I know people who have been know to catalogue or classify their collections)?</p>
<p>I can also see a device like this having lots of further uses beyond the novel, e.g. newspapers (if they haven&#8217;t died a well-earnt death by then). Another example would be academic textbooks which are, I believe, a large part of the ebook market as it now stands. I frequently see people reading these on trains and buses, or at least the ones light enough to carry. These would greatly benefit from manipulation, searching, copying and pasting, inserting metadata into reading list software, and so on. The competitor that provides this will win. Similarly, why not have the ability to put personal/company papers and reports and so forth on it? Business people I fear would relish the opportunity to produce extra gadgets on the train table: laptop, Blackberry, mobile phone, ebook reader. </p>
<p>In conclusion, a few plugs and sockets wouldn&#8217;t go amiss, artfully disguised. I understand the appeal of having something that is just a book, but I can&#8217;t imagine marketing something on the grounds that you can&#8217;t do some things with it. The DRM issue has to be faced off legally I think.</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/01/05/a-book-reader#comment-46437</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N: yes, yes, thankyou, Giles. Maybe I could make the thing generate mustiness. :)

On a more serious note, current e-book approaches mean that you buy and download a file; keeping the file is your responsibility. If you've backed it up, fine; if you lose it, tough (you don't get to get another one for free, same as with a real book). The problem is that, if you bought a simple downloadable file, there's nothing to stop you giving it to all your mates for free; this is what all the "DRM" stuff is about, which tries to lock down your file so only you can read it, and only on "approved" devices. The point of the device above is that it sidesteps this by not actually giving you a file that you can give to friends. The automatic backup approach when you charge it might be a possibility, though. Clever.

Gavin: I can't think of a reason why a competitor's device shouldn't be allowed to connect to the same back end as the device above, and if the back end kept a record of what you'd bought (based on your credit card number) then you should be able to get them again. Careful on the "non-open formats" charge, though; that's not the problem here. The books themselves could be (and probably would be) in HTML or something equally open. There is, however, basically no way to give someone a file and stop them giving it to other people for free; DRM is a lost cause. This tries to get around that by not actually giving you a file; open formats or not are not part of the equation. 

There are issues with the back end remembering which books you've bought (what if you lose your credit card *and* the device? what if the FBI subpoena it to find out who's been reading The Communist Manifesto?) but iTunes has similar problems, I expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N: yes, yes, thankyou, Giles. Maybe I could make the thing generate mustiness. :)</p>
<p>On a more serious note, current e-book approaches mean that you buy and download a file; keeping the file is your responsibility. If you&#8217;ve backed it up, fine; if you lose it, tough (you don&#8217;t get to get another one for free, same as with a real book). The problem is that, if you bought a simple downloadable file, there&#8217;s nothing to stop you giving it to all your mates for free; this is what all the &#8220;DRM&#8221; stuff is about, which tries to lock down your file so only you can read it, and only on &#8220;approved&#8221; devices. The point of the device above is that it sidesteps this by not actually giving you a file that you can give to friends. The automatic backup approach when you charge it might be a possibility, though. Clever.</p>
<p>Gavin: I can&#8217;t think of a reason why a competitor&#8217;s device shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to connect to the same back end as the device above, and if the back end kept a record of what you&#8217;d bought (based on your credit card number) then you should be able to get them again. Careful on the &#8220;non-open formats&#8221; charge, though; that&#8217;s not the problem here. The books themselves could be (and probably would be) in HTML or something equally open. There is, however, basically no way to give someone a file and stop them giving it to other people for free; DRM is a lost cause. This tries to get around that by not actually giving you a file; open formats or not are not part of the equation. </p>
<p>There are issues with the back end remembering which books you&#8217;ve bought (what if you lose your credit card *and* the device? what if the FBI subpoena it to find out who&#8217;s been reading The Communist Manifesto?) but iTunes has similar problems, I expect.</p>
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