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	<title>Comments on: Quick Jackfield update</title>
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	<description>scratched tallies on the prison wall</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-86061</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daaku: yeah, I don't know why XMLHttpRequest doesn't work either. It used to! The problem is not Python; it's being blocked by Firefox. Look in the custom mozilla profile that Jackfield supplies; I must have set some things wrong (or not set them at all) in prefs.js, but I don't know which ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daaku: yeah, I don&#8217;t know why XMLHttpRequest doesn&#8217;t work either. It used to! The problem is not Python; it&#8217;s being blocked by Firefox. Look in the custom mozilla profile that Jackfield supplies; I must have set some things wrong (or not set them at all) in prefs.js, but I don&#8217;t know which ones.</p>
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		<title>By: daaku</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-86010</link>
		<dc:creator>daaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say that Jackfield looks promising. I tried running a Dashboard widget, and also an Opera widget (they have similar API's), and it seem like you're almost there! I'm looking into why XMLHttpRequest is not working - havent worked with python in a while though :)

You might also be interested in looking at the W3C Widget Spec working draft here http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/.

Thanks for building this - with an implementation of the widget.system function, there's some interesting cross platform application development possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say that Jackfield looks promising. I tried running a Dashboard widget, and also an Opera widget (they have similar API&#8217;s), and it seem like you&#8217;re almost there! I&#8217;m looking into why XMLHttpRequest is not working - havent worked with python in a while though :)</p>
<p>You might also be interested in looking at the W3C Widget Spec working draft here <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for building this - with an implementation of the widget.system function, there&#8217;s some interesting cross platform application development possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: BrokenCrystal</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-52603</link>
		<dc:creator>BrokenCrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem.  Sorry if I came across as rude, as that was never my intention.  Actually, I am really a nice person.  ;- }  However, that is only my opinion and others may disagree.  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem.  Sorry if I came across as rude, as that was never my intention.  Actually, I am really a nice person.  ;- }  However, that is only my opinion and others may disagree.  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-52546</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gothca, thank you for the reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gothca, thank you for the reply.</p>
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		<title>By: BrokenCrystal</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-52181</link>
		<dc:creator>BrokenCrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha,

"I guess his opinion would have been deemed too late at any point. Would you have taken notice if it was posted any earlier? I somehow doubt it."

It would have been noticed, but I am not the developer(s), so all I have is just an opinion on what I would like to see happen, but since it is in fact already in the works, well, then his/her post is in fact a bit late.  It's still a worth opinion, don't get me wrong.  I was just stating that it is already being done by some developers as a fact, because it is already being worked on by QuinnStorm from Beryl and there is also a similar plugin available for Compiz...  I don't know if Jackfield, Desklets, Screenlets, and the others will integrate for sure, but they have been talking and it would make one heck of a widgets, desklets, sidebar engine available for Linux.  


"How do you see jackfield, integrated as a plugin working exactly?"

Just that...  As a plugin for a stand-alone application.  It doesn't have to be chosen if you do not like it.  It is just a plugin.  If you want to use it, you can.  If not, that's your choice.  It's all about options, not limitations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha,</p>
<p>&#8220;I guess his opinion would have been deemed too late at any point. Would you have taken notice if it was posted any earlier? I somehow doubt it.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would have been noticed, but I am not the developer(s), so all I have is just an opinion on what I would like to see happen, but since it is in fact already in the works, well, then his/her post is in fact a bit late.  It&#8217;s still a worth opinion, don&#8217;t get me wrong.  I was just stating that it is already being done by some developers as a fact, because it is already being worked on by QuinnStorm from Beryl and there is also a similar plugin available for Compiz&#8230;  I don&#8217;t know if Jackfield, Desklets, Screenlets, and the others will integrate for sure, but they have been talking and it would make one heck of a widgets, desklets, sidebar engine available for Linux.  </p>
<p>&#8220;How do you see jackfield, integrated as a plugin working exactly?&#8221;</p>
<p>Just that&#8230;  As a plugin for a stand-alone application.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be chosen if you do not like it.  It is just a plugin.  If you want to use it, you can.  If not, that&#8217;s your choice.  It&#8217;s all about options, not limitations.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-51639</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Broken:

I guess his opinion would have been deemed too late at any point.  Would you have taken notice if it was posted any earlier?  I somehow doubt it.  He does have a valid point, integration is not always the best thing.  I think Cole was coming from the angle that alpha etc. can be automatically used if the window manager (Compiz/Beryl) supports it, but only if you code it in the right way.  Your opinion appears to be a bit more hardwired into Beryl, though I could have misinterpreted it.  

How do you see jackfield, integrated as a plugin working exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broken:</p>
<p>I guess his opinion would have been deemed too late at any point.  Would you have taken notice if it was posted any earlier?  I somehow doubt it.  He does have a valid point, integration is not always the best thing.  I think Cole was coming from the angle that alpha etc. can be automatically used if the window manager (Compiz/Beryl) supports it, but only if you code it in the right way.  Your opinion appears to be a bit more hardwired into Beryl, though I could have misinterpreted it.  </p>
<p>How do you see jackfield, integrated as a plugin working exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: BrokenCrystal</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-51434</link>
		<dc:creator>BrokenCrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the double post above.  I didn't think the first one took...  

Cole:

I think everyone has a right to their opinion, but I think your a bit too late.  A plugin is going to be developed for these projects, and if there ever is a merger in the code of Jackfield, Screenlets, Gnome Desklets, and Beryl/Compiz as being discussed by the BIG DOGS already...  We are going to have one very awesome widget engine available for Beryl/Compiz and more importantly, Linux.  That does not mean that you need to use the plugin.  You can choose not to use this feature.  Myself...  I hope they do integrate these projects as it would make Linux king of the widgets.  Good timing too with the launch of Vista just around the corner.  Does a plugin mean that you can not run these applications as stand-alone applications?  I don't know, but I would assume that they would have free-standing core applications that were not installed via a Compiz/Beryl plugin, however these are just my opinions, ideas, and info from what I have read in the forums...  As for the final decisions, well...  That is up to the authors, developers, and such.  For more information...  Look here:

http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&#038;t=2352&#038;p=14210#p14210

Thanks,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the double post above.  I didn&#8217;t think the first one took&#8230;  </p>
<p>Cole:</p>
<p>I think everyone has a right to their opinion, but I think your a bit too late.  A plugin is going to be developed for these projects, and if there ever is a merger in the code of Jackfield, Screenlets, Gnome Desklets, and Beryl/Compiz as being discussed by the BIG DOGS already&#8230;  We are going to have one very awesome widget engine available for Beryl/Compiz and more importantly, Linux.  That does not mean that you need to use the plugin.  You can choose not to use this feature.  Myself&#8230;  I hope they do integrate these projects as it would make Linux king of the widgets.  Good timing too with the launch of Vista just around the corner.  Does a plugin mean that you can not run these applications as stand-alone applications?  I don&#8217;t know, but I would assume that they would have free-standing core applications that were not installed via a Compiz/Beryl plugin, however these are just my opinions, ideas, and info from what I have read in the forums&#8230;  As for the final decisions, well&#8230;  That is up to the authors, developers, and such.  For more information&#8230;  Look here:</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&#038;t=2352&#038;p=14210#p14210" rel="nofollow">http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&#038;t=2352&#038;p=14210#p14210</a></p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-51121</link>
		<dc:creator>Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it should kept it separate from Beryl and Compiz.  If you code Jackfield using gtk/cairo with alpha settings then these window managers will use them anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it should kept it separate from Beryl and Compiz.  If you code Jackfield using gtk/cairo with alpha settings then these window managers will use them anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-51083</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I successfuly got Jackfield running under Ubuntu 6.06 quite quickly, and have some widgets running.  I have some problems with one of the widgets not resizing correctly, but that's to be expected at this stage, I'm sure.  I, too, may look into beryl integration, as that would be awesome.  Thanks for your awesome work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I successfuly got Jackfield running under Ubuntu 6.06 quite quickly, and have some widgets running.  I have some problems with one of the widgets not resizing correctly, but that&#8217;s to be expected at this stage, I&#8217;m sure.  I, too, may look into beryl integration, as that would be awesome.  Thanks for your awesome work!</p>
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		<title>By: BrokenCrystal</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/12/22/quick-jackfield-update#comment-51057</link>
		<dc:creator>BrokenCrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you could just integrate with kiba-dock.  It is under the Beryl's unsupported section at this time. (It is currently under development, although it is fully functional now.)  Docks, Widgets, and Sidebars are somewhat related anyway.

http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewforum.php?f=38

http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Kiba-dock

http://www.kiba-dock.org/  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you could just integrate with kiba-dock.  It is under the Beryl&#8217;s unsupported section at this time. (It is currently under development, although it is fully functional now.)  Docks, Widgets, and Sidebars are somewhat related anyway.</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewforum.php?f=38" rel="nofollow">http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewforum.php?f=38</a></p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Kiba-dock" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Kiba-dock</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiba-dock.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiba-dock.org/</a></p>
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