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	<description>scratched tallies on the prison wall</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Bloom</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-99294</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg Raiz, a UI designer and consultant from Boston, made some incredible suggestions as part of his 3-part series on improving the UI in Firefox. You can find the first part of the series here: &lt;a href="http://www.raizlabs.com/blog/?p=143" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.raizlabs.com/blog/?p=&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Raiz, a UI designer and consultant from Boston, made some incredible suggestions as part of his 3-part series on improving the UI in Firefox. You can find the first part of the series here: <a href="http://www.raizlabs.com/blog/?p=143" rel="nofollow">http://www.raizlabs.com/blog/?p=</a></p>
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		<title>By: sova</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-55467</link>
		<dc:creator>sova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted here:

http://wiki.mozilla.org/Talk:Firefox/Feature_Brainstorming#Master_Password_and_password_security

do you think this is an acceptable suggestion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted here:</p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.mozilla.org/Talk:Firefox/Feature_Brainstorming#Master_Password_and_password_security" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.mozilla.org/Talk:Firefox/Feature_Brainstorming#Master_Password_and_password_security</a></p>
<p>do you think this is an acceptable suggestion?</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-48629</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mozilla project have good reasons for using the Mozilla Public Licence. They're not going to shift just because you ask them to. In fact, then shifting is about as likely as IE shifting to the GPL, hence the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mozilla project have good reasons for using the Mozilla Public Licence. They&#8217;re not going to shift just because you ask them to. In fact, then shifting is about as likely as IE shifting to the GPL, hence the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: the author</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-48619</link>
		<dc:creator>the author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i mean that why do you think that is moronic and what firefox has to do with IE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i mean that why do you think that is moronic and what firefox has to do with IE.</p>
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		<title>By: the author</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-48618</link>
		<dc:creator>the author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Move all MPL code to GPL.”

Your explanation about that has no sense. please try again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Move all MPL code to GPL.”</p>
<p>Your explanation about that has no sense. please try again.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-44956</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; dual screened tabs. two tabs showing in the same window pane, almost like frames. with ability to drag and resize viewing area between the two tabs.” Just open a second window!

You've never cycled back and forth between two different tabs, comparing them or copying information from one to the other?

Opening a new window doesn't cut it.  It would, if the host window manager were natively good at tiling, but I don't know of any that are (besides dedicated things like Ion).  

Doing this in Windows would be a royal pain, for instance.  Try it:  Open two documents in two tabs.  Then open a second window, move one document into that window, minimize all other windows, select "Tile windows horizontally" from the task bar.  Now make one window take up a smaller percentage of the screen while enlarging the other.  Now put the two documents back into regular tab view.

I'd much rather see the ability to view tabs as tiles built-in.  It should be something you can toggle on and off in one operation, not twelve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; dual screened tabs. two tabs showing in the same window pane, almost like frames. with ability to drag and resize viewing area between the two tabs.” Just open a second window!</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve never cycled back and forth between two different tabs, comparing them or copying information from one to the other?</p>
<p>Opening a new window doesn&#8217;t cut it.  It would, if the host window manager were natively good at tiling, but I don&#8217;t know of any that are (besides dedicated things like Ion).  </p>
<p>Doing this in Windows would be a royal pain, for instance.  Try it:  Open two documents in two tabs.  Then open a second window, move one document into that window, minimize all other windows, select &#8220;Tile windows horizontally&#8221; from the task bar.  Now make one window take up a smaller percentage of the screen while enlarging the other.  Now put the two documents back into regular tab view.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather see the ability to view tabs as tiles built-in.  It should be something you can toggle on and off in one operation, not twelve.</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-22772</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse: My point about pornzilla was that I suspect that looking at porn is the reason that the punter requested that function in Firefox in the first place. The fact that Pornzilla doesn't actually do the mousewheel thing is merely evidence that you are falling down on the job and should get on with it ;-)

Is there some policy against bundling extensions with the browser? If "tab expose" is useful enough to be in the browser, why not just ship foxpose with firefox?

On the executable thing, they're not talking about "improving the UI", they're saying "it is such a pain to have to save an executable to the filesystem and then click it to run it; what I want is to click a link and have it run". That's a bad idea. I certainly agree that improving the UI might help (although the definition of an "executable" is pretty malleable in a world where you can add macros to WMV files), but that's not what the request was.

OK on the tab session isolation; I figured that'd be hard, so I was wrong there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse: My point about pornzilla was that I suspect that looking at porn is the reason that the punter requested that function in Firefox in the first place. The fact that Pornzilla doesn&#8217;t actually do the mousewheel thing is merely evidence that you are falling down on the job and should get on with it ;-)</p>
<p>Is there some policy against bundling extensions with the browser? If &#8220;tab expose&#8221; is useful enough to be in the browser, why not just ship foxpose with firefox?</p>
<p>On the executable thing, they&#8217;re not talking about &#8220;improving the UI&#8221;, they&#8217;re saying &#8220;it is such a pain to have to save an executable to the filesystem and then click it to run it; what I want is to click a link and have it run&#8221;. That&#8217;s a bad idea. I certainly agree that improving the UI might help (although the definition of an &#8220;executable&#8221; is pretty malleable in a world where you can add macros to WMV files), but that&#8217;s not what the request was.</p>
<p>OK on the tab session isolation; I figured that&#8217;d be hard, so I was wrong there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Ruderman</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-22770</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Ruderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree on quite a few points.

* Pornzilla does not yet have an extension that lets you change numbers in a URL using the mousewheel in the address bar.  That's a great idea, though; I wonder how hard it would be to implement.

* You respond to the "Tab Expose" idea by mentioning that an extension exists.  I think it's a useful-enough feature to be in the browser itself; the IE team certainly seems to think so.

* A socket API restricted in roughly the same way as XMLHttpRequest (same domain only, restricted to certain ports) would be nice for applications that don't want all the overhead of HTTP for sending little bits of information back and forth frequently -- consider a collaborate text editor, for example.

* Improving the UI for executable downloads would improve security, not weaken it.  As it is, executable downloads and media file downloads look the same in both Firefox and Windows Explorer, so a porn site could easily slip an executable where I was expecting a video clip.

* Isolating session cookies and http auth logins to "connected" tabs and windows would not require as much overhead as you think.  The reason we don't do it is that it would be confusing, annoying, and more or less pointless.

* Likewise, fixing the "one tab crashing shouldn’t crash anything else" issue would not require making each window and tab(!) a separate process.  An alternate approach is to just eliminate all the crashes.  (Ok, maybe not.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree on quite a few points.</p>
<p>* Pornzilla does not yet have an extension that lets you change numbers in a URL using the mousewheel in the address bar.  That&#8217;s a great idea, though; I wonder how hard it would be to implement.</p>
<p>* You respond to the &#8220;Tab Expose&#8221; idea by mentioning that an extension exists.  I think it&#8217;s a useful-enough feature to be in the browser itself; the IE team certainly seems to think so.</p>
<p>* A socket API restricted in roughly the same way as XMLHttpRequest (same domain only, restricted to certain ports) would be nice for applications that don&#8217;t want all the overhead of HTTP for sending little bits of information back and forth frequently &#8212; consider a collaborate text editor, for example.</p>
<p>* Improving the UI for executable downloads would improve security, not weaken it.  As it is, executable downloads and media file downloads look the same in both Firefox and Windows Explorer, so a porn site could easily slip an executable where I was expecting a video clip.</p>
<p>* Isolating session cookies and http auth logins to &#8220;connected&#8221; tabs and windows would not require as much overhead as you think.  The reason we don&#8217;t do it is that it would be confusing, annoying, and more or less pointless.</p>
<p>* Likewise, fixing the &#8220;one tab crashing shouldn’t crash anything else&#8221; issue would not require making each window and tab(!) a separate process.  An alternate approach is to just eliminate all the crashes.  (Ok, maybe not.)</p>
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		<title>By: Giles</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-20973</link>
		<dc:creator>Giles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there

I have a question about your nicetitles javascript .. could you email me so i could ask you about it please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there</p>
<p>I have a question about your nicetitles javascript .. could you email me so i could ask you about it please.</p>
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		<title>By: Apantomimehorse</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/10/17/firefox-30-suggestions#comment-20868</link>
		<dc:creator>Apantomimehorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really hard part of design is not contriving features, but rather contriving features that denecessitate other features.

My suggestion for firefox is to conservatively try advancing the stock configuration so that it enables a few of the power-user behaviors by default. Open new tab in background is a good example. Casual users tend to lag in their adoption of extremely useful features, largely because they're too scared or uninformed to seek greater functionality themselves (though they all seem to be obsessed with skinning, which has always been a generally awful idea). 

I don't think the "two tabs side-by-side is moronic", as firefox isn't good yet at moving tabs between windows and the OS's "tile window's vertically" requires too much work to get right (you have to minimize all the windows you dont' want to see), and once you get two windows side-by-side, you can't adjust their respective sizes by just dragging a single border between them.

My biggest useability problem with browsing and with windows in general is that I just have too many windows/tabs open at once. Currently I have three plug-ins just to make tabbing better: superT, for multi-line tabs, colorful tabs, and tab preview. A more integrated version of foxpose could replace all of that, if not replace the use of tabs entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really hard part of design is not contriving features, but rather contriving features that denecessitate other features.</p>
<p>My suggestion for firefox is to conservatively try advancing the stock configuration so that it enables a few of the power-user behaviors by default. Open new tab in background is a good example. Casual users tend to lag in their adoption of extremely useful features, largely because they&#8217;re too scared or uninformed to seek greater functionality themselves (though they all seem to be obsessed with skinning, which has always been a generally awful idea). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the &#8220;two tabs side-by-side is moronic&#8221;, as firefox isn&#8217;t good yet at moving tabs between windows and the OS&#8217;s &#8220;tile window&#8217;s vertically&#8221; requires too much work to get right (you have to minimize all the windows you dont&#8217; want to see), and once you get two windows side-by-side, you can&#8217;t adjust their respective sizes by just dragging a single border between them.</p>
<p>My biggest useability problem with browsing and with windows in general is that I just have too many windows/tabs open at once. Currently I have three plug-ins just to make tabbing better: superT, for multi-line tabs, colorful tabs, and tab preview. A more integrated version of foxpose could replace all of that, if not replace the use of tabs entirely.</p>
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