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		<title>By: as days pass by &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One Smoking Barrel</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-99695</link>
		<dc:creator>as days pass by &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One Smoking Barrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interestingly, though, I&#8217;ve been poking through my logs for lugradio.org and associated mirrors. In the past, people have asked (repeatedly) for an estimate of how many people listen to the show, and I normally quote some figures I worked out a long time ago showing that between eight and twelve thousand people grab it every two weeks. For various reasons it&#8217;s quite difficult to get figures across our mirror network and RSS and so on, but I believe I&#8217;ve put these together properly. It looks like, since the old days when I worked those numbers out, it&#8217;s changed rather a lot. As far as I can tell, an &#8220;average&#8221; episode (if there is such a thing) of LugRadio has about 20,000 people listen to it, and the most popular episodes get somewhere around 30,000 listeners. Thirty thousand! Blimey. So, I would like to say thanks to those thirty thousand people: we love it, yes we do. Keep on doing what you do, and we&#8217;ll keep on doing what we do. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Interestingly, though, I&#8217;ve been poking through my logs for lugradio.org and associated mirrors. In the past, people have asked (repeatedly) for an estimate of how many people listen to the show, and I normally quote some figures I worked out a long time ago showing that between eight and twelve thousand people grab it every two weeks. For various reasons it&#8217;s quite difficult to get figures across our mirror network and RSS and so on, but I believe I&#8217;ve put these together properly. It looks like, since the old days when I worked those numbers out, it&#8217;s changed rather a lot. As far as I can tell, an &#8220;average&#8221; episode (if there is such a thing) of LugRadio has about 20,000 people listen to it, and the most popular episodes get somewhere around 30,000 listeners. Thirty thousand! Blimey. So, I would like to say thanks to those thirty thousand people: we love it, yes we do. Keep on doing what you do, and we&#8217;ll keep on doing what we do. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: notmyopinion</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-20827</link>
		<dc:creator>notmyopinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the "Set up an archive that never goes away" approach, we used archive.org to host our audio files. If you use a creative commons licence they seem to be happy, and they seem like they are there for the long haul. They are also free, pretty reliable, and have good permanent links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the &#8220;Set up an archive that never goes away&#8221; approach, we used archive.org to host our audio files. If you use a creative commons licence they seem to be happy, and they seem like they are there for the long haul. They are also free, pretty reliable, and have good permanent links.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;coralize the link to podcasts.lugradio.org which is cname to a mirror who can actually control his/her own httpd.conf&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Am pretty sure there&#8217;s quite a few of them out there &#8211; most decent hosting companies let you and I suspect in most cases the box admin is your mirror admin anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;That way, if a mirror goes away you just point podcasts.lugradio.org to someone else.  And it&#8217;s not like that particular mirror will get overhammered, &#8216;cos coral takes the strain.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;The &#8220;crux&#8221; here is the ability to create a &lt;span class="caps"&gt;URL&lt;/span&gt; that will never change &#8211; and a cname, while not perfect, will give you a pretty good chance.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;-ttfn, Xalior&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>coralize the link to podcasts.lugradio.org which is cname to a mirror who can actually control his/her own httpd.conf</p>
<p>Am pretty sure there&#8217;s quite a few of them out there &#8211; most decent hosting companies let you and I suspect in most cases the box admin is your mirror admin anyway.</p>
<p>That way, if a mirror goes away you just point podcasts.lugradio.org to someone else.  And it&#8217;s not like that particular mirror will get overhammered, &#8216;cos coral takes the strain.</p>
<p>The &#8220;crux&#8221; here is the ability to create a <span class="caps">URL</span> that will never change &#8211; and a cname, while not perfect, will give you a pretty good chance.</p>
<p>-ttfn, Xalior</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Griffith</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some thoughts:&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;(a) As per Wrong Suggestion #4, I am under the impression that one can use ourmedia.org to submit content to archive.org in a way that bypasses the review process and waiting limit. It might be worth investigating.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;(b) Rely on coral and perhaps some provider like libsyn.com for the initial burst of downloads for the first two or four weeks of the episode&#8217;s life. Rely on archive.org for archives of old shows. (The &lt;span class="caps"&gt;RSS&lt;/span&gt; feeds should only really contain one or two  shows to protect against people accidentally downloading your whole catalogue when they first subscribe.)&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;(c) Follow Dave Slusher&#8217;s example (&lt;a href="http://evilgeniuschronicles.org/"&gt;evilgeniuschronicles.org&lt;/a&gt;) and have your default &lt;span class="caps"&gt;RSS&lt;/span&gt; feed serve only the torrent files. He puts a plain mp3 file in the feed that will only show up if a person&#8217;s podcatcher doesn&#8217;t do BitTorrent. The mp3 file explains that BitTorrent didn&#8217;t work for them and they need to subscribe to the alternative mp3 feed. It&#8217;s a compromise solution that encourages tech-savy people to use his BitTorrent feed, but holds the hands of non geeks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts:</p>
<p>(a) As per Wrong Suggestion #4, I am under the impression that one can use ourmedia.org to submit content to archive.org in a way that bypasses the review process and waiting limit. It might be worth investigating.</p>
<p>(b) Rely on coral and perhaps some provider like libsyn.com for the initial burst of downloads for the first two or four weeks of the episode&#8217;s life. Rely on archive.org for archives of old shows. (The <span class="caps">RSS</span> feeds should only really contain one or two  shows to protect against people accidentally downloading your whole catalogue when they first subscribe.)</p>
<p>(c) Follow Dave Slusher&#8217;s example (<a href="http://evilgeniuschronicles.org/">evilgeniuschronicles.org</a>) and have your default <span class="caps">RSS</span> feed serve only the torrent files. He puts a plain mp3 file in the feed that will only show up if a person&#8217;s podcatcher doesn&#8217;t do BitTorrent. The mp3 file explains that BitTorrent didn&#8217;t work for them and they need to subscribe to the alternative mp3 feed. It&#8217;s a compromise solution that encourages tech-savy people to use his BitTorrent feed, but holds the hands of non geeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Masters</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;m inclined towards going with the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CNAME&lt;/span&gt; approach for those who can control their mirror config. It is the first thing I thought of and obviously seems to have come up before.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Jon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined towards going with the <span class="caps">CNAME</span> approach for those who can control their mirror config. It is the first thing I thought of and obviously seems to have come up before.</p>
<p>Jon.</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CNAME&lt;/span&gt; approach means that all mirrors not only have to mirror files, but mirror a specific directory structure as well, which they don&#8217;t currently do&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <span class="caps">CNAME</span> approach means that all mirrors not only have to mirror files, but mirror a specific directory structure as well, which they don&#8217;t currently do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;#2: Do you actually know of any clients that don&#8217;t handle redirects?  Or are you just assuming that a significant number get confused by them?  That wouldn&#8217;t be an assumption I would make.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2: Do you actually know of any clients that don&#8217;t handle redirects?  Or are you just assuming that a significant number get confused by them?  That wouldn&#8217;t be an assumption I would make.</p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim; when I first set up the LugRadio podcast feed I used redirects, and we had complaints from lots of people that their clients failed to downlaod episodes; I eventually fixed it by not doing the redirect. It&#8217;s possible that that has since been fixed, but it was a real problem in the early days and I haven&#8217;t revisited it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim; when I first set up the LugRadio podcast feed I used redirects, and we had complaints from lots of people that their clients failed to downlaod episodes; I eventually fixed it by not doing the redirect. It&#8217;s possible that that has since been fixed, but it was a real problem in the early days and I haven&#8217;t revisited it.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CNAME&lt;/span&gt; approach is obviously opt-in &#8211; not all mirrors can modify their httpd.conf, and there&#8217;s not a great disadvantage in reorganising the directories to a standard layout once (except for the need to resubmit all the old archives).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <span class="caps">CNAME</span> approach is obviously opt-in &#8211; not all mirrors can modify their httpd.conf, and there&#8217;s not a great disadvantage in reorganising the directories to a standard layout once (except for the need to resubmit all the old archives).</p>
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		<title>By: davee</title>
		<link>http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/07/10/enclosure#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>davee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;httpd-triggered redirects, rather than &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CGI&lt;/span&gt; redirects, should be honoured by every client, surely?  i.e. put a &#8216;Redirect&#8217; statement in the Apache config for each episode &#8230; ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>httpd-triggered redirects, rather than <span class="caps">CGI</span> redirects, should be honoured by every client, surely?  i.e. put a &#8216;Redirect&#8217; statement in the Apache config for each episode &#8230; ?</p>
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