Comments on: Clearing out the postbox http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing scratched tallies on the prison wall Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:30:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Aquarion http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-402 Aquarion Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-402 <p>> Hixie bitches about Ajax</p> <p>Yesterday I attempted to explain to a marketoid what “Ajax” was. His first reaction was “What, the cleaning stuff?“.</p> <p>Americans need to research this crap <strong>before</strong> they rename the universe.</p> > Hixie bitches about Ajax

Yesterday I attempted to explain to a marketoid what “Ajax” was. His first reaction was “What, the cleaning stuff?“.

Americans need to research this crap before they rename the universe.

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-403 sil Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-403 <p>Yeah, I know. That was a bit of a flaw, that one. Then again, no-one complains at the Dutch for naming a football team after a cleaning product. Pronounce it “aye-ax” rather than “ai-jax“, perhaps.</p> Yeah, I know. That was a bit of a flaw, that one. Then again, no-one complains at the Dutch for naming a football team after a cleaning product. Pronounce it “aye-ax” rather than “ai-jax“, perhaps.

]]> By: Gary Fleming http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-404 Gary Fleming Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-404 <p>> <em>Maybe when it can connect properly I’ll start hacking on it.</em></p> <p>I’d leave user <span class="caps">VOIP</span> for a few years. The number of people certain companies have working on large installs is astounding. The amount of money thrown at this is silly, and some of the features they’re using to get an edge are somewhat esoteric (I developed some over the summer for a BigCo).</p> <p>User <span class="caps">VOIP</span> that is reliable is a good while away simply because it’s not available commercially properly yet.</p> > Maybe when it can connect properly I’ll start hacking on it.

I’d leave user VOIP for a few years. The number of people certain companies have working on large installs is astounding. The amount of money thrown at this is silly, and some of the features they’re using to get an edge are somewhat esoteric (I developed some over the summer for a BigCo).

User VOIP that is reliable is a good while away simply because it’s not available commercially properly yet.

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-405 sil Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-405 <p>Gary: I’m not sure I agree there. Both On Call Bald and I had signed up to a <span class="caps">SIP</span> provider; he had forwarded ports on his firewall but I had not. Once I worked out which things to type into kphone’s preferences window, it seemed to work fine. All the problems I had with kphone could be solved by UI, including having the software sign you up with a <span class="caps">SIP</span> provider; shtoom I just couldn’t get to work, but if I could then I suspect that the problems are equally the same. If skype and <span class="caps">MSN </span>Messenger and <span class="caps">AIM</span> and iCHat can work for everyone, <span class="caps">SIP</span> can too, if people delivering softphones start thinking about it in the right way.</p> Gary: I’m not sure I agree there. Both On Call Bald and I had signed up to a SIP provider; he had forwarded ports on his firewall but I had not. Once I worked out which things to type into kphone’s preferences window, it seemed to work fine. All the problems I had with kphone could be solved by UI, including having the software sign you up with a SIP provider; shtoom I just couldn’t get to work, but if I could then I suspect that the problems are equally the same. If skype and MSN Messenger and AIM and iCHat can work for everyone, SIP can too, if people delivering softphones start thinking about it in the right way.

]]> By: Gary Fleming http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-406 Gary Fleming Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-406 <p>I’m not saying it can’t be done, it just can’t be done reliably (at this moment). While it can work most of the time for most people, it’s a million miles away from a point where it could conceivably replace traditional public telephone networks. Even for people with ideal set-ups, problems still occur.</p> I’m not saying it can’t be done, it just can’t be done reliably (at this moment). While it can work most of the time for most people, it’s a million miles away from a point where it could conceivably replace traditional public telephone networks. Even for people with ideal set-ups, problems still occur.

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-407 sil Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-407 <p>Gary: maybe. The idea of transferring data across the internet in time-critical fashion either (a) needs to be solved for movies and shit as well, in which case VoIP reaps the benefit of that solving, or (b) already has been solved for movies and shit (RealPlayer, etc) at which point I see no reason why VoIP can’t work as well…?</p> Gary: maybe. The idea of transferring data across the internet in time-critical fashion either (a) needs to be solved for movies and shit as well, in which case VoIP reaps the benefit of that solving, or (b) already has been solved for movies and shit (RealPlayer, etc) at which point I see no reason why VoIP can’t work as well…?

]]> By: Gary Fleming http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-408 Gary Fleming Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-408 <p>Well, yes, it would benefit from that being solved. I don’t think real-time network solutions really exist for movies or even the accompanying audio yet; the quality tends to be too low (most will give good audio, or good video, not both), and network congestion is still a problem that I’ve seen every time I’ve tried to watch video over a few minutes in length. But yes, if we can solve that problem, then VoIP will reap the benefits.</p> Well, yes, it would benefit from that being solved. I don’t think real-time network solutions really exist for movies or even the accompanying audio yet; the quality tends to be too low (most will give good audio, or good video, not both), and network congestion is still a problem that I’ve seen every time I’ve tried to watch video over a few minutes in length. But yes, if we can solve that problem, then VoIP will reap the benefits.

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-409 sil Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-409 <p>Gary: there’s the point, though, that “most will give good audio, or good video, not both“. All we need is good audio for VoIP, and if stuff can already do good audio then we’ve solved the problem already, no?</p> Gary: there’s the point, though, that “most will give good audio, or good video, not both“. All we need is good audio for VoIP, and if stuff can already do good audio then we’ve solved the problem already, no?

]]> By: Gary Fleming http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-410 Gary Fleming Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-410 <p>I guess so, but even then it’s not at a stage where it is reliable. I think I’ll try to produce a post on VoIP in the next few days that coagulate my thoughts a bit clearer.</p> I guess so, but even then it’s not at a stage where it is reliable. I think I’ll try to produce a post on VoIP in the next few days that coagulate my thoughts a bit clearer.

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/04/15/clearing#comment-411 sil Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2005/04/15/clearing/#comment-411 <p>Gary: I shall look forward to that. My concern is really that the UI for all these apps is completely ridiculous and convoluted and asks loads of stupid questions. The feasibility of the underlying technology I have sort of taken as read…</p> Gary: I shall look forward to that. My concern is really that the UI for all these apps is completely ridiculous and convoluted and asks loads of stupid questions. The feasibility of the underlying technology I have sort of taken as read…

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