Comments on: Not putting up with shit http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2004/06/05/billiondollar scratched tallies on the prison wall Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:45:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: sparkes http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2004/06/05/billiondollar#comment-1658 sparkes Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2004/06/05/billiondollar/#comment-1658 the other day an exploit was discovered in some Linux software.  No problem a couple of days later I apt-get updated and apt-get dist-upgrade fixed it along with some problems I didn't know I had.<br /> <br /> The same thing happened with Apple MacOS X the other day.  Sure enough a couple of days later OSX said there was an apple upgrade and I had no problems with clicking the button to automatically update the system.  <br /> <br /> These updates work everytime and never bugger up my systems.  Windows on the otherhand is a little different.<br /> <br /> Jennie has problems on her windows xp machine and the first thing I say is what it you last install?  Have you recieved any dodgy emails?  Have you run the anti-virus? Have you run the couple of anti spyware tools you need to make windows run these days?  Are you running any file sharing tools?  What the heck is that icon for? and have MS sent you any updates recently and did you install them?  Cos every third one seems to bugger up the machine in some way or another.<br /> <br /> Bloody windows.  I don't know why she swapped from debian when she got her new machine :-( the other day an exploit was discovered in some Linux software.  No problem a couple of days later I apt-get updated and apt-get dist-upgrade fixed it along with some problems I didn’t know I had.

The same thing happened with Apple MacOS X the other day.  Sure enough a couple of days later OSX said there was an apple upgrade and I had no problems with clicking the button to automatically update the system. 

These updates work everytime and never bugger up my systems.  Windows on the otherhand is a little different.

Jennie has problems on her windows xp machine and the first thing I say is what it you last install?  Have you recieved any dodgy emails?  Have you run the anti-virus? Have you run the couple of anti spyware tools you need to make windows run these days?  Are you running any file sharing tools?  What the heck is that icon for? and have MS sent you any updates recently and did you install them?  Cos every third one seems to bugger up the machine in some way or another.

Bloody windows.  I don’t know why she swapped from debian when she got her new machine :-(

]]> By: Tom http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2004/06/05/billiondollar#comment-1659 Tom Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2004/06/05/billiondollar/#comment-1659 I would consider myself a good to average computer user and fairly well-informed, but to choose Linux over Windows was basically not an option when we bought our new computer. I wouldn't have a clue how to go about it (without asking your good self). PC World and Dixons don't really push it. Neither is Linux marketed for home users; its real future in the short term is for business, being as it is cheap and reliable (so I read in the Economist).  I could choose to live in a yurt rather than a house but that really isn't a choice. And to be honest, Windows does do most of the stuff I want it to, even if I hate its file system, the sheer amount of time I spend putting updates on compared to actually using the thing, and the way it tries to second guess everything I do, and ... I would consider myself a good to average computer user and fairly well-informed, but to choose Linux over Windows was basically not an option when we bought our new computer. I wouldn’t have a clue how to go about it (without asking your good self). PC World and Dixons don’t really push it. Neither is Linux marketed for home users; its real future in the short term is for business, being as it is cheap and reliable (so I read in the Economist).  I could choose to live in a yurt rather than a house but that really isn’t a choice. And to be honest, Windows does do most of the stuff I want it to, even if I hate its file system, the sheer amount of time I spend putting updates on compared to actually using the thing, and the way it tries to second guess everything I do, and …

]]> By: Gary Fleming http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2004/06/05/billiondollar#comment-1660 Gary Fleming Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2004/06/05/billiondollar/#comment-1660 That's the truly astonishing thing about Windows: no one likes it, yet the majority would never even consider leaving it. The only way in which it is easier to use is through familiarity.<br /> <br /> That said, I have to use XP at home because I can't get my modem to work under SuSe. Bloody winmodems. That’s the truly astonishing thing about Windows: no one likes it, yet the majority would never even consider leaving it. The only way in which it is easier to use is through familiarity.

That said, I have to use XP at home because I can’t get my modem to work under SuSe. Bloody winmodems.

]]> By: sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2004/06/05/billiondollar#comment-1661 sil Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2004/06/05/billiondollar/#comment-1661 I agree that Linux is not marketed for home users. Then again, is Windows? How much marketing do you see? I've seen about three Microsoft adverts in newspapers and on telly in the last year or so, and they've been for Server 2003. Moreover, if "they had a TV advert" is enough to persuade someone, then advertising has a lot more power than I thought it did.<br /> I have said numerous times in the past, to Jono and others, that the way to get Linux on people's desktops is to get firms selling it pre-installed.<br /> I don't dispute that Windows does most of what people want it to do, it's just all the things you don't want it to do, as you've said. Linux or the Mac would equally do what you want them to, but wouldn't have as much of the other stuff. Jono's InfoPoint project at <a href="http://www,jonobacon.org/infopoint/">http://www,jonobacon.org/infopoint/</a> is one of the best schemes I have ever seen for pushing Linux; they're taking stands at computer fairs, explaining what Linux is all about, and giving out just-drop-this-in-your-CD-drive-and-try-it Knoppix live CDs. It's a brilliant idea, and I think he'll have a lot of success with it. Dropping along to one of those would be a good introduction, as would downloading a Knoppix CD and trying it... I agree that Linux is not marketed for home users. Then again, is Windows? How much marketing do you see? I’ve seen about three Microsoft adverts in newspapers and on telly in the last year or so, and they’ve been for Server 2003. Moreover, if “they had a TV advert” is enough to persuade someone, then advertising has a lot more power than I thought it did.
I have said numerous times in the past, to Jono and others, that the way to get Linux on people’s desktops is to get firms selling it pre-installed.
I don’t dispute that Windows does most of what people want it to do, it’s just all the things you don’t want it to do, as you’ve said. Linux or the Mac would equally do what you want them to, but wouldn’t have as much of the other stuff. Jono’s InfoPoint project at http://www,jonobacon.org/infopoint/ is one of the best schemes I have ever seen for pushing Linux; they’re taking stands at computer fairs, explaining what Linux is all about, and giving out just-drop-this-in-your-CD-drive-and-try-it Knoppix live CDs. It’s a brilliant idea, and I think he’ll have a lot of success with it. Dropping along to one of those would be a good introduction, as would downloading a Knoppix CD and trying it…

]]> By: Gary Fleming http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2004/06/05/billiondollar#comment-1662 Gary Fleming Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2004/06/05/billiondollar/#comment-1662 Getting linux pre-installed is the way forward but how easy is that going to be? For consumer level machines, it's just not going to happen at the moment. There's very little demand for it.<br /> <br /> I would suggest pushing for dual-boot machines but get the feeling the average user would not have a clue what to do when the OS selection appeared. Getting linux pre-installed is the way forward but how easy is that going to be? For consumer level machines, it’s just not going to happen at the moment. There’s very little demand for it.

I would suggest pushing for dual-boot machines but get the feeling the average user would not have a clue what to do when the OS selection appeared.

]]> By: Brian http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2004/06/05/billiondollar#comment-1663 Brian Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.kryogenix.org/adpb/2004/06/05/billiondollar/#comment-1663 <p>Have to say that most people find windows much easier to use, even though that after installing another one of windows XP’s pesty security updates, it completely buggered my machine, i could not format the hard drive, and the ram was totally buggered – ive got one of the highest spec pc’s available to home users (3.4 ghz p4, 1024meg ram, 400 gig hdd) and i still have crap running any windows xp, although im not sure whether this is that fault of windows, or the fact that pc world use crap parts, as the machine i am currently using is the <span class="caps">THIRD</span> replacement pc in 2 years (they only replace it if they cannot fix a problem in 28 days and their idea of a computer being fixed is managing to get the restore disks running then walking out of the door..).</p> <p>I have been looking for a legal copy of linux in all the shops but cannot find one anywhere, think it might be a wise idea to get rid of windows before microsoft release longhorn, which i have no doubt on it being much, much worse than xp (if that is possible).</p> Have to say that most people find windows much easier to use, even though that after installing another one of windows XP’s pesty security updates, it completely buggered my machine, i could not format the hard drive, and the ram was totally buggered – ive got one of the highest spec pc’s available to home users (3.4 ghz p4, 1024meg ram, 400 gig hdd) and i still have crap running any windows xp, although im not sure whether this is that fault of windows, or the fact that pc world use crap parts, as the machine i am currently using is the THIRD replacement pc in 2 years (they only replace it if they cannot fix a problem in 28 days and their idea of a computer being fixed is managing to get the restore disks running then walking out of the door..).

I have been looking for a legal copy of linux in all the shops but cannot find one anywhere, think it might be a wise idea to get rid of windows before microsoft release longhorn, which i have no doubt on it being much, much worse than xp (if that is possible).

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